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 Post subject: Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Post #221 Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 2:48 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm162 Move 162 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . O X , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X 1 . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts

Slightly happy about this. It looks slightly better than my variation in my analysis, but still makes sense for him. The game's all getting to the end now. For kicks, I explain below why I analysed as I did before


Tactics and Variations

The kicker is the first move I think (5 responses in White):

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[go]$$Bcm159
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . O X , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X e d O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . 1 c b a . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm159 A
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . O X , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O 5 X . . . |
$$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X . 3 O X 4 . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . 1 . . 2 . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm159 B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . O X , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O 5 X . . . |
$$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X . 3 O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . 1 4 2 . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm159 C
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . O X , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O 3 X . . . |
$$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X . 4 O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . 6 . 1 2 7 5 . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm159 D
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . O X , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X . 2 O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . 1 4 3 5 . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm159 E
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . O X , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O a X . . . |
$$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X 2 6 O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . 4 1 5 3 7 . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


And as "E" seems to give me the best result, it's the one I had expected. I could play 162 at 163 for a ko, but he can capture at "a" and it seems a bit pointless when I can just force him to connect and take sente. Actually, having said that, I guess it's not much difference to what's going to happen anyway, but the ko is much less valuable now, I'll ignore the atari and the first capture to take the bigger moves elsewhere.

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 Post subject: Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Post #222 Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 11:37 pm 
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Sorry, still working through it. But just to post what I'm thinking right now:

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[go]$$Bcm163 Move 163 - W: 2, B:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . w . b b . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . w O b X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X b O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , w w X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . w . b . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . w . b . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . w . b . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O w . O b X . . |
$$ | O X O X O w w . . , . . . O X b . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . O X b X b b |
$$ | . X O O . . . . w . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . w . X . . O X . X . . X w . . . |
$$ | . . O O X b b b O O O O w O w O O O . |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . b |
$$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Black has 66 points that I count. Plus komi of 70 points = 136 points. Plus one capture = 137 points.

White has 12 points on the bottom. + 29 dead stones on the board (so 58 points there). + 2 captured stones + 74 points of territory on the left/center (I could be off by 2, but I think that's right). = 146 points.

So currently losing by 9 points. But I have sente. So I need to make my sente worth 9 points.


Tactics and Variations
Looking for sente moves I can make before committing to reducing white's moyo somehow.

This was my first thought, but it leads to a snapback. I want to make something in this area, in sente, to prevent white's monkey jump. I'll need to think on it some more.

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[go]$$Bcm163 Move 163 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . O X , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X 8 9 X 6 . 1 . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O 7 O 3 O O O . |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O 5 4 O X X . |
$$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Something like this doesn't work either.

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[go]$$Bcm163 Move 163 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . O X , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X 3 . X . 8 1 . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O 4 O 5 O O O . |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O 7 6 O X X . |
$$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #223 Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:07 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm163 Move 163 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . O X , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . 1 . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Sorry for the delay again. No good excuse, I'm just lazy :)

Strategy and Thoughts
I think the game is just about lost. We'll see how he responds. If I can't keep sente and reduce him some, I'm probably screwed.

The moves below were my considerations. If it was a bit closer I'd choose 'b' or 'c', but as it is I think I need to play an invasion or resign. 'b' is a nice reducing move, and 'c' prevents a monkey jump. 'a' is exactly what it seems to be: a desperate attempt to make some aji in side white's moyo that I can maybe exploit later on. I'm not sure how white will respond. I chose 'a' because it makes shape for the 3 black stones.

No diagrams this time. I read through a few variations but they branch faster than I can keep up so this is purely a "make good shape for good shape's sake" move. Question to more experienced players: is this still good shape for black with white's stone L6 peeping in?

If I don't like how white responds I'll just ignore it and move elsewhere. I should be able to do 'b' as a forcing move and then take 'c'.

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[go]$$Wcm162 Move 162 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . b . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . O X , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . a . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . c . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #224 Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:25 am 
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[go]$$Wcm164 Move 164 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . O X , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X 1 O . . . X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts

Ok, I'm not having that. That's still a dead group with no eyes - ok, maybe 1 gote eye, but it's dead, so I'm not going to respond locally. However, it does up the aji a bit, so I need to assess the following:

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[go]$$Wcm164 Move 164 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . c . . . O X , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X 1 O . . . X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . b b X . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X a . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


"a" threatens to cut stuff off. "b" threatens to cut stuff off. "c" threatens to live inside. Variations in the black box.


Tactics and Variations

I'm fairly sure that none of the above work, and I wanted to take all my sente in the lower right corner and then monkey jump up the right hand side for lots of reductiony points. If that worked for me, and I was right that none of the above were effective, the game would be completely over. However, I'm ahead, and this is an endgame move I want anyway. So, what could he have done / still do?

A

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[go]$$Bcm165
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . O X , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . 5 X . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X 1 2 X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O 3 O . O O O . |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O 4 . O X X . |
$$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This looks really bad for White. I don't think I can let him cut here without serious dangers to my health. So, instead, I block the other side:

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[go]$$Bcm165
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . O X , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . 8 . X . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X a X 1 3 X 4 . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O 2 O 5 O O O . |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O 7 6 O X X . |
$$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Now the extra liberty is very useful, although I may play 172 at "a". What about "b"?

B

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[go]$$Bcm165
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . O X , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . 2 1 X . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X 3 . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O 4 O . O O O . |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This now reverts to the previous diagrams, as it is aiming at the same bad aji. Again, as long as I block at 168 I'm ok. The other "b"?

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[go]$$Bcm165
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . 3 . , . . . O X , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . O a . . X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . 1 2 X . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Also aiming at the same cut (with "a") as the previous variations, this one has some tricksy local followups too. I was already wondering how much I'd have to be careful if he attached on top of my stone here, so this kind of position has increased its threat value. I can't see anything that obviously works, but that middle is a lot of points for me, and I don't want him taking them away. There's a lesson in winning won games somewhere. Adding the stone I just played kills that aji completely. What about "c"?

C


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[go]$$Bcm165
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . 1 . . . O X , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Well, he obviously wants life, but there aren't two eyes there to make. I'm not going to go into the myriad of possible variations, but the amount of thickness I have outside means that there are plenty of pushes, cuts, eye-steals and peeps. I may try to keep him down to 0 eyes, but the fact I don't have to makes the kill very likely I think.

So, I can't see anything in any of these, and instead I've chosen to play here to get my sente ball rolling. If he connects solidly, I tenuki:

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[go]$$Bcm165
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . 0 . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . O X , . 9 . |
$$ | X O O . O X W O . . . X . O X . X . 8 |
$$ | . X O O . 1 . . . X . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O 6 |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X 2 |
$$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . 3 4 |
$$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . 5 |
$$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . 7 . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Otherwise, if he tries to keep the aji up with a hane, force him to connect first. I could play as follows to patch up the aji completely, but it's gote, and I think he has nothing to work with here now:

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[go]$$Bcm165
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O 2 . . . , . . . O X , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X W O . . . X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . 3 1 4 . X . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #225 Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 10:41 am 
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[go]$$Bcm165 Move 165 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . 1 . O X , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X O O . . . X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts
It's not worth taking gote to defend the single stone there that white's threatening. Especially since it's ability to reduce the moyo is gone now.

I'm still not sure how he'll respond.

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Post #226 Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 10:51 am 
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[go]$$Wcm166 Move 166 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . 1 O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . X . O X , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X O O . . . X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts

He can't cut because of a ladder, and even if he could I'd only risk sacrificing a stone at most. Eliminating any possibilities of eyeshape seems the sensible thing to do here. Now he has 0 eyes for the group.

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Post #227 Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:03 am 
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I see no need to hide this one.

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[go]$$Wcm162 Move 162 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . O X , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . 1 . O X X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Better, no?

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Post #228 Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:04 am 
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[go]$$Bcm167 Move 167 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . O O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . 1 . X . O X , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X O O . . . X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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Making shape again.

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Post #229 Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:10 am 
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Post #230 Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:12 am 
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[go]$$Wcm168 Move 168 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . O O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . X . X . O X , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X O O . . . X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X 1 |
$$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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Ok, enough's enough. They're dead. I've already stolen the key shape point for that stone, so it's not getting him eyes. I may be letting him get a gote eye by tenuki-ing, but that's not going to be enough. Let's enjoy some sente.


Fundamental Principles

This is sente, so it is better than the commonly played (in error) gote clamp:

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[go]$$Wcm168 Move 168 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . O O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . X . X . O X , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X O O . . . X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O 7 |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X 3 |
$$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X 2 1 5 |
$$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . 4 6 |
$$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


There are times when the clamp is sente too, in which case it is superior. This isn't one of them.

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Post #231 Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:13 am 
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That's a bit harsh. :)

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Post #232 Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:55 am 
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[go]$$Bcm169 Move 169 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . O O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . X . X . O X , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X O O . . . X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X O |
$$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . 1 . |
$$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Tactics and Variations
See my old post here for why I think white is wasting an opportunity for a few more points here.

Some less-than-orthodox continuations follow. The orthodox local continuation has him creeping one more time along the first line, then connecting to his outside group in sente.

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . O O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . X . X . O X , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X O O . . . X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O . |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X O |
$$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X 5 1 3 |
$$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . 2 4 |
$$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . 6 . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . 7 . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . O O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . X . X . O X , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X O O . . . X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . O O O X 7 . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . 6 . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O 5 |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X O |
$$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . 1 2 |
$$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . 4 3 |
$$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


continuing from the last diagram:

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . O O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . X . X . O X , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X O O . . . X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . O O O X X . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . O 3 |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O X |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X 1 |
$$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . X 2 |
$$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . O X |
$$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . 4 . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #233 Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 3:36 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm170 Move 170 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . O O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . X . X . O X , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X O O . . . X . O X . X . 5 |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O 3 |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X O |
$$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . X 1 |
$$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . 2 |
$$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . 4 . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If 173 is a solid connection, still play that 174.

Strategy and Thoughts

Remember that nursing out a marginal advantage article? I have a feeling this is what it was talking about. If you know you are ahead, design around a strategy that minimises your opponent's ability to claw back that advantage. I want to creep further ahead, not play for a kill. I was tempted to play straight at S3 here, but what's the point? If it isn't a dead certain kill, it's a dead certain loss of a few points, and possibly sente as well. Here, it's a guaranteed small gain in sente - when I'm ahead, that's precisely what I want to be getting.


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Post #234 Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:52 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm175 Move 175-177 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . O O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . X . X . O X , . 3 1 |
$$ | X O O . O X O O . . . X . O X . X . O |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . O O O X . 2 |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O O |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X O |
$$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . X O |
$$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . X |
$$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts
At first I thought white made a mistake. See "Monkey Shop Workshop" by Richard Hunter. Page 102 problem 8. Remarkably similar situation. In the problem, the full monkey jump is too aggressive and loses two points. But in this case I think it's proper since the correct sequence (below) ends in gote for white here, but sente in the problem I mentioned.

It's possible there's an even better solution, but it's probably way above my skill level :)


Tactics and Variations
This is the "correct" continuation from the book. But because I don't have to defend 'a', the inferior solution is probably better.

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . O O . . O . X a 4 |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . X . X . O X , . 2 3 |
$$ | X O O . O X O O . . . X . O X . X . 5 |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . O O O X . 1 |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O O |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X O |
$$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . X O |
$$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . X |
$$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


"Inferior" solution:

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . O O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . X . X . O X , . 4 2 |
$$ | X O O . O X O O . . . X . O X . X . 1 |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . O O O X . 3 |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O O |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X O |
$$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . X O |
$$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . X |
$$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


And just for completeness, my own gut reaction. Although looking at it some more I'm not at all convinced that it's not wishful reading, and it's only one point better (not that I should be loose with points at this stage, but the risk/reward ratio feels off).

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . O O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . X . X . O X , . . 6 |
$$ | X O O . O X O O . . . X . O X . X 4 1 |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . O O O X 3 2 |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . 5 |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O O |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X O |
$$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . X O |
$$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . X |
$$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #235 Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 12:37 am 
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[go]$$Wcm178 Moves 178-180 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O 3 X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X 2 O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . 1 X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . O O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . X . X . O X , . X X |
$$ | X O O . O X O O . . . X . O X . X . O |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . O O O X . O |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O O |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X O |
$$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . X O |
$$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . X |
$$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts

Tidying up, then will count after move 184. I think I'm around 20 points ahead now.


Tactics and Variations

I rejected the following variation:

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[go]$$Wcm178 Moves 178-180 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . a . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O 5 X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X 1 O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , 3 2 X 4 O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . b O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . c . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . O O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . X . X . O X , . X X |
$$ | X O O . O X O O . . . X . O X . X . O |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . O O O X . O |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O O |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X O |
$$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . X O |
$$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . X |
$$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Even though this gives me a couple more points and the endgame at "a", the cut at "b" and the hane at "c" are bad aji that may affect any further fighting with his middle group if he tries to save it again. I don't need those couple of points, so I'd rather remove any aji risks instead.

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Post #236 Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 8:57 am 
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topazg, would you like to play a game against me, when this one is finished?
I'm around 3k on KGS now, so proper handicap would be 3 stones, but I'd prefer to play with reverse komi like in this game or just me playing black with no komi, because that feels more like a normal game.
Handicap isn't important as long as I can learn from you :)

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Post #237 Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 11:26 am 
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[go]$$Bcm179 Moves 179 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . O X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . O O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . X . X . O X , . X X |
$$ | X O O . O X O O . . . X . O X . X . O |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . O O O X . O |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O O |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X O |
$$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . X O |
$$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . X |
$$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts
Taking the opportunity to steal sente again. The top there is worth a lot of points (I'm terrible at counting, but my guess is like ~8 points). But it's gote and if I follow white around the board I've as good as lost.


Tactics and Variations
My hope here is something like this (loose reading, I'll come back to it and see if there's something better after white responds).

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . O X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . 9 . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . 8 2 1 . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . 7 O O 3 6 O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . X . X 4 O X , . X X |
$$ | X O O . O X O O . . . X . O X . X . O |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . O O O X . O |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O O |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X O |
$$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . X O |
$$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . X |
$$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #238 Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 12:10 pm 
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Zwergesel wrote:
topazg, would you like to play a game against me, when this one is finished?
I'm around 3k on KGS now, so proper handicap would be 3 stones, but I'd prefer to play with reverse komi like in this game or just me playing black with no komi, because that feels more like a normal game.
Handicap isn't important as long as I can learn from you :)


That sounds good. I really want to play a completely even game with completely open comments next - so observers and players can all read everything. Is that likely to be ok ?

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[go]$$Bcm180 Moves 180 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . O X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . O O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . X . X . O X , . X X |
$$ | X O O . O X O O . . . X . O X . X . O |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . O O O X . O |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O O O O . O . O O O O |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X O |
$$ | O O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . X O |
$$ | O X . . . X X O O X O X O O . X . . X |
$$ | X X . . X X O O . O O X O . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts

Fun stuff, this is better from Black. So, complicated though this is, I rejected contacting on the right side because it doesn't seem to work. However, this is still insidiously complicated. It's a really good reduction by Black. I won't go into the variations here, but I'm expecting that Black stone to live, and me to secure the middle and kill his middle group for good. That's enough for me :)

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 Post subject: Re: 27. topazg (1d) vs. Numsgil (8k)
Post #240 Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 1:16 pm 
Dies with sente

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B lost game now :< He played two moves in a row!

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