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Offline Marcus
 Post subject: Re: 110: Marcus vs Kirby - Kirby's Revenge!
Post #301 Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 12:34 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . 3 . . . X X O . O O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . X O O X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . O O X X X . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O O . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . X |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O O X O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O O O . X O O O X X |
$$ | . O . X . . . X . X O X X X X O . O X |
$$ | . . O X . . X O X X X X . O O O O O . |
$$ | . O X . . O O O . . X O O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X X . . O X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . O O . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X O . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


R17 is a 6 point gote move right now. Let's take some sente points first.
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Offline Kirby
 Post subject: Re: 110: Marcus vs Kirby - Kirby's Revenge!
Post #302 Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 12:36 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . O O 4 . 3 . . . X X O . O O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . X O O X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . O O X X X . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O O . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . X |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O O X O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O O O . X O O O X X |
$$ | . O . X . . . X . X O X X X X O . O X |
$$ | . . O X . . X O X X X X . O O O O O . |
$$ | . O X . . O O O . . X O O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X X . . O X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . O O . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X O . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Didn't want this, of course:
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . 0 . . 2 . . . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . 8 6 O O 3 1 X . . . X X O . O O O |
$$ | . 9 7 5 4 X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . X O O X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . O O X X X . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O O . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . X |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O O X O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O O O . X O O O X X |
$$ | . O . X . . . X . X O X X X X O . O X |
$$ | . . O X . . X O X X X X . O O O O O . |
$$ | . O X . . O O O . . X O O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X X . . O X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . O O . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X O . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


He got a big point there; Although, in some way, I feel a bit happy in that area, because it felt awkward to move there first, myself.

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Offline Marcus
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Post #303 Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 12:45 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . O O O . X . . . X X O . O O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . X O O X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . O O X X X . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O O . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . X |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O O X O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O O O . X O O O X X |
$$ | . O . X . . . X . X O X X X X O . O X |
$$ | . . O X . . X O X X X X . O O O O O . |
$$ | . O X . . O O O . . X O O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X X 5 . O X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . O O . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X O . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Hey ... it connects!

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[go]$$Bcm65 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . O O O . X . . . X X O . O O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . X O O X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . O O X X X . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O O . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . X |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O O X O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O O O . X O O O X X |
$$ | . O . X . . . X . X O X X X X O . O X |
$$ | . . O X . . X O X X X X . O O O O O . |
$$ | . O X . . O O O 2 4 X O O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X X 1 3 O X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . 7 O O 5 X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X O . 6 O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


One or the other of my two "dead" groups are saved!
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Offline Kirby
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Post #304 Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 12:46 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . O O O . X . . . X X O . O O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . X O O X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . O O X X X . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O O . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . X |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O O X O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O O O . X O O O X X |
$$ | . O . X . . . X . X O X X X X O . O X |
$$ | . . O X . . X O X X X X . O O O O O . |
$$ | . O X . . O O O 6 . X O O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X X 5 . O X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . O O . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X O . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Marcus
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Post #305 Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 12:48 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . O O O . X . . . X X O . O O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . X O O X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . O O X X X . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O O . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . X |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O O X O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O O O . X O O O X X |
$$ | . O . X . . . X . X O X X X X O . O X |
$$ | . . O X . . X O X X X X . O O O O O . |
$$ | . O X . . O O O O . X O O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X X X 7 O X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . O O . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X O . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline Kirby
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Post #306 Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 12:49 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . O O O . X . . . X X O . O O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . X O O X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . O O X X X . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O O . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . X |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O O X O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O O O . X O O O X X |
$$ | . O . X . . . X . X O X X X X O . O X |
$$ | . . O X . . X O X X X X . O O O O O . |
$$ | . O X . . O O O O . X O O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X X X 7 O X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . O O 8 X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X O . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Yowza. Gotta be careful.

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Offline Marcus
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Post #307 Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 12:51 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . O O O . X . . . X X O . O O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . X O O X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . O O X X X . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O O . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . X |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O O X O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O O O . X O O O X X |
$$ | . O . X . . . X . X O X X X X O . O X |
$$ | . . O X . . X O X X X X . O O O O O . |
$$ | . O X . . O O O O . X O O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X X X X O X 9 . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . O O O X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X O . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


D'oh! Wrong order of moves. :P
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Offline Kirby
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Post #308 Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 12:52 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . O O O . X . . . X X O . O O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . X O O X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . O O X X X . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O O . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . X |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O O X O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O O O . X O O O X X |
$$ | . O . X . . . X . X O X X X X O . O X |
$$ | . . O X . . X O X X X X . O O O O O . |
$$ | . O X . . O O O O 0 X O O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X X X X O X 9 . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . O O O X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X O . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Me, too... :-)

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Post #309 Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 12:54 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . O O O . X . . . X X O . O O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . X O O X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . O O X X X . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O O . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . X |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O O X O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O O O . X O O O X X |
$$ | . O . X . . . X . X O X X X X O . O X |
$$ | . . O X . . X O X X X X . O O O O O . |
$$ | . O X . . O O O O O X O O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X X X X O X X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . O O O X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X O . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O 1 O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #310 Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 12:55 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . O O O . X . . . X X O . O O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . X O O X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . O O X X X . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O O . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . X |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O O X O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O O O . X O O O X X |
$$ | . O . X . . . X . X O X X X X O . O X |
$$ | . . O X . . X O X X X X . O O O O O . |
$$ | . O X . . O O O O O X O O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X X X X O X X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . O O O X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X O . . O X 3 X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O 1 O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . 4 2 . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #311 Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 1:05 pm 
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Gotta think for a bit on the position here ...

I'm not actually keen on taking this trigger ... it's sente, but are there bigger moves on the board? Certainly R19 is getting up there ...
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Post #312 Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 1:06 pm 
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Sure. Although, you don't have to think if you don't want to. :-)

I just hope you don't mind playing to the end.

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Post #313 Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 1:09 pm 
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Kirby wrote:
Sure. Although, you don't have to think if you don't want to. :-)

I just hope you don't mind playing to the end.


Hey, there have been enough turnarounds (and near-turnarounds) in this game, who's to say what will happen? We'll go to the end and figure this out. Good endgame practice, too.
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Post #314 Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 1:09 pm 
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Marcus wrote:
Kirby wrote:
Sure. Although, you don't have to think if you don't want to. :-)

I just hope you don't mind playing to the end.


Hey, there have been enough turnarounds (and near-turnarounds) in this game, who's to say what will happen? We'll go to the end and figure this out. Good endgame practice, too.


Hehe. Yes. I just wish that the title of the thread was different... ;-)

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Post #315 Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 1:18 pm 
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Drat! He is thinking... I can't win from this board if he thinks!

Ah well, let's see what he comes up with. I have a feeling that I know his move... But I'll still play to the end.

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Post #316 Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 1:23 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . O O O . X . . . X X O . O O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . X O O X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . O O X X X . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O O . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . X |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O O X O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O O O . X O O O X X |
$$ | . O . X . 9 0 X . X O X X X X O . O X |
$$ | . . O X a 8 X O X X X X . O O O O O . |
$$ | . O X . 7 O O O O O X O O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . 6 5 X X X X O X X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . O O O X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X O . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O . O O X . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Isn't this bigger than anything on the board?

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Post #317 Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 1:42 pm 
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I wonder if you should resign when you know your opponent can win. It is hard for me to say, because go is a game where people make mistakes often. I think I made a big mistake in this game by letting the right side die, for example. I thought I was ahead before then.

Should I resign when I suspect that my opponent can win? I don't know the answer.

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Kirby wrote:
I wonder if you should resign when you know your opponent can win. It is hard for me to say, because go is a game where people make mistakes often. I think I made a big mistake in this game by letting the right side die, for example. I thought I was ahead before then.

Should I resign when I suspect that my opponent can win? I don't know the answer.


Your opponent can win at the beginning of the game, and you don't resign then :P

Resign when you don't think it's realistic that you could win ;)
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Are either of the comments above OK for me to read? Since the latter quotes me, I have a suspicion...

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Kirby wrote:
Are either of the comments above OK for me to read? Since the latter quotes me, I have a suspicion...


You can probably read Graham's, but not mine.

Marcus:
You can't read either one. As a consolation prize, an unrelated comment for you: are you the Marcus that commented on the Hikaru blog? If you are, I feel silly. =D

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