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Offline cdybeijing
 Post subject: Re: 108: Puppycakes (3k) vs. mw42 (2k)
Post #41 Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:09 pm 
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Offline mw42
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Post #42 Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:13 pm 
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@Puppycakes

As am I (enjoying the game). We can always read each others comments afterwards. :)

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$$ | . . . . . O 7 4 5 . . . . . O O X . . |
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Okay, I'll connect then and I think I'm okay. I could either reduce the center or remove the corner. I was thinking of an invasion on the side, but that's foolhardy at this point. As for the position, he can't hane, it seems. I will either kill his group or obliterate his corner, I believe. I was never concerned about securing many points on the bottom.
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Offline Puppycakes
 Post subject: Re: 108: Puppycakes (3k) vs. mw42 (2k)
Post #43 Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 5:06 am 
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I don't like the prospect of white playing like this:

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$$ | . . . , X O 4 X 2 O . . . O X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O 3 O 1 . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . X . . |
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This is a potential ko for later.

My moyo on the left looks like nearly 50 points now, but he gets more territory on the bottom this way.

I really am curious what stronger players would play here.
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Offline mw42
 Post subject: Re: 108: Puppycakes (3k) vs. mw42 (2k)
Post #44 Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 5:50 am 
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$$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . O O X . . |
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$$ | . . X . X X d b . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . |
$$ | . . f . . O . O . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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So the moves I considered were (a), (b) and (c). I think (a) has some sente value plus it reduces his corner while strengthening my bottom group (maybe this is unnecessary). I thought about (b) to help support a reduction in the center, but what does it really do? W(d) and W(e) would still be sente even with (b). Of course, (c) is big but gote. If W(f) then I will definitely play at (c). As for his center, it is looking big. I should be able to reduce by playing lightly around the marked stones.
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Offline Puppycakes
 Post subject: Re: 108: Puppycakes (3k) vs. mw42 (2k)
Post #45 Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:27 am 
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$$ | . . X O O . X . X , . . . . . , O X . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . . |
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$$ | . . X . X X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


In retrospect, I probably should have played E3 first, but I thought he'd probably ignore it. Still, it was worth a lot of points in that corner and probably worth it.

His bottom side is now worth 20 something points. My corner would have been worth about the same, so that kind of shows how valuable a move like that can be.
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Offline mw42
 Post subject: Re: 108: Puppycakes (3k) vs. mw42 (2k)
Post #46 Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 7:11 am 
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$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . X . X , . . . . . , O X . |
$$ | . . X X . O O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . 8 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . O . . . |
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$$ | . . X . X X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . X . X , . . . . . , O X . |
$$ | . . X X . O O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X 9 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . 8 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . 0 . O . . . |
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$$ | . . X . X X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . X . Y , . . . . . , O X . |
$$ | . . X X . O O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . b . Y 9 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . 8 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . 0 . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
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$$ | . . X . X X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This shape leaves some weakness at (a). If he jumps at (b) I really feel I shouldn't tenuki but play at (a) myself otherwise this group is very weak and almost surrounded. Whereas if this group is strong I may be able to try to orchestrate a splitting attacking later between the two marked groups.


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Offline Chew Terr
 Post subject: Re: 108: Puppycakes (3k) vs. mw42 (2k)
Post #47 Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 7:13 am 
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Seconded. I've been enjoying this game quite a bit lately, just don't necessarily feel confident enough to say anything or don't have anything more interesting than the actual moves to suggest, so I'm sitting back with popcorn. =)

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Offline mw42
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Post #48 Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 7:24 am 
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Seconded. I've been enjoying this game quite a bit lately, just don't necessarily feel confident enough to say anything or don't have anything more interesting than the actual moves to suggest, so I'm sitting back with popcorn. =)


I'm glad you guys are enjoying it! :tmbup:
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Offline Marcus
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Post #49 Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 8:11 am 
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Another lurker chiming in. No questions yet. :D
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Offline mw42
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Post #50 Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 8:22 am 
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$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . X . X , . . . . . , O X . |
$$ | . . X X . O O . . . . . . . . . O b . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X 9 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . 8 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . 0 . O . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Actually I don't think I need to worry about (a) immediately. So if he jumps, I think I'd rather have (b). I will wait to see his move to decide.


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Another lurker chiming in. No questions yet. :D

That must mean our play so far has been perfect. Glad to hear that! :lol:
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Offline Chew Terr
 Post subject: Re: 108: Puppycakes (3k) vs. mw42 (2k)
Post #51 Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 8:36 am 
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$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . X . X , . . . . . , O X . |
$$ | . . X X . O O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . 8 . C . . |
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$$ | . . X . X X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

What are ya'all's thoughts on this? Would something like this be too aggressive here? I would have strongly considered it, in white's shoes, though the game move feels more normal.

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 Post subject: Re: 108: Puppycakes (3k) vs. mw42 (2k)
Post #52 Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 11:48 am 
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$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . X . X , . . . . . , O X . |
$$ | . . X X . O O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . 4 . X 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . 1 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . 3 . O . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



Part of me thinks that I could tenuki with a clean conscience because then my move would feel like a decent reduction, but the point of my move was to split up the side and that is what I'd like to do.

I wonder if he would have kicked my stone if I had played a line lower.

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$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . X . X , . . . . . , O X . |
$$ | . . X X . O O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Also, he has a weak point at a that might be interesting later.


I'm really glad to hear that people are watching. I've been enjoying this game a lot, too.
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Post #53 Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 1:21 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . X . X , . . . . . , O X . |
$$ | . . X X . O O . . . . . . . . . O 2 . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . X . X , . . . . . , O X . |
$$ | . . X X . O O . . . . . . . . . O 2 . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . b . 1 . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . c . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I was thinking where I wanted to play next, but then I remembered I said I'd bend if he jumped. This secures a large corner, but more than that it makes my corner group alive. If he decided to make life in the corner (which he could) then I might suddenly find myself with two weak groups. He still has a fight he could start at (a). If I am able to secure that group at some point, the cap at (b) is interesting (because of the bend, mind you). Also, the (c) area still seems very large so some light plays inside may create a significant reduction.
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Post #54 Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 1:39 pm 
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Every time I look at this game I keep wanting to think the whole bottom is one line lower.
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Post #55 Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 1:43 pm 
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Abydos1 wrote:
Every time I look at this game I keep wanting to think the whole bottom is one line lower.


That's odd...

EDIT: Removed the diagram to prevent confusion in the future.


Last edited by mw42 on Thu Mar 31, 2011 7:16 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Post #56 Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 1:50 pm 
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mw42 wrote:
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[go]$$Bm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . X . X , . . . . . , O X . |
$$ | . . X X . O O . . . . . . . . . O 2 . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Abydos1 wrote:
Every time I look at this game I keep wanting to think the whole bottom is one line lower.

That's odd...


Ahhh :o
At least the game looks more normal now.
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Post #57 Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 8:52 pm 
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[go]$$Bm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O 3 . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . X . X , . . . . . , O X . |
$$ | . . X X . O O . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


My mind is dreaming up a bunch of ridiculous beauty. I don't know if it's possible at all, but all of these places on the board look like places I'd like to play that he is at least somewhat likely to respond to:

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[go]$$Bm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . O a . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . X . X , . . . . . , O X . |
$$ | . . X X . O O . . . . . . . a . O O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . a . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


You know, I'm kind of ok with him strengthening himself in gote on that side and I think that if I strengthen myself elsewhere, My attack on his group later would be more severe, so that's why I tenuki'd.

That and I'm taking some big points that I wanted anyway that have big follow-ups if he ignores them, so we'll just have to see what happens.
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Post #58 Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 7:32 am 
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[go]$$Bm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . 4 O X . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . X . X , . . . . . , O X . |
$$ | . . X X . O O . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bm55 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X 2 1 O X . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O 3 X . X , . . . . . , O X . |
$$ | . . X X 4 O O . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I really wanted to tenuki here, but :b57: is sente and my corner group is really pathetic whereas his group on the side is alive. By responding. I keep this group weak so I leave open the possibility of attack later.
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Post #59 Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 8:33 am 
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[go]$$Bm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . O O X . . . . 5 . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . X . X , . . . . . , O X . |
$$ | . . X X . O O . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . O . O . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I was probably going to play this high if he undercut me with his last move, but he didn't, so I figured that this helps with some points along the bottom edge and does help stabilize my group. I think that it also indirectly helps strengthen my other group. I like having stable groups right now. His still isn't perfectly stable either on the right there still.


I'm still eyeing a as a possible place to play. It would do a lot to expand my moyo even further. Also, we're starting to approach endgame.
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[go]$$Bm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . O O X . . . . 5 . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . X . X , . . . . . , O X . |
$$ | . . X X . O O . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . O . O . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X . . . a . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #60 Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 8:39 am 
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[go]$$Bm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . O O X . . . . X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . X . X , . . . . . , O X . |
$$ | . . X X . O O . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . O . O . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Time for some fun.
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