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Post #41 Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 5:41 am 
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EdLee wrote:
Tryphon wrote:
I first thought crosscutting. That can lead to:
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[go]$$Wm24
$$------------------
$$. . . . . . . . .|
$$. . . . . O . . .|
$$O . . O . . X . .|
$$. . . . . X . . .|
$$. . . . 5 3 9 . .|
$$. . . O 4 X 1 . .|
$$. . . 7 6 O X . .|
$$. . . . 8 . 2 . .|
$$. . . . . . . . .|[/go]
No, this result is impossible for B: broken shape,
and huge point difference (40+ (??) point swap).


I'm glad you point it. I personnally evaluated B loss to around 30 pts, but I thought that was affordable in exchange of quasi-sure territory on the edge, and a strong moyo.

I don't know how to evaluate moyos. Is there a rule to compare a territory gain to a moyo loss ?

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[go]$$Wm24
$$ +--------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . .|
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . . X . .|
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 3 9 . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 4 X 1 . .|
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . 7 6 O X . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . 2 . .|
$$ | . . X . # . . . . . . . 0 . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . # . .|
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . # . . .|
$$ | . . . , . . . . . # . . . . . , . . .|
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . # . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ +--------------------------------------+[/go]

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Post #42 Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 2:13 am 
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Tryphon,
Tryphon wrote:
Is there a rule to compare a territory gain to a moyo loss?
AFIK, very non-trivial. Like evaluating thickness, it takes a lot of experience.
There are books and books about the sanrensei, Chinese openings, etc. --
we need to know so much about invasion points and tesuji, plus fighting and reading skills, etc. Non-trivial. :)

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Post #43 Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 1:53 am 
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[go]$$Wm26
$$ +--------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . .|
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . . X . .|
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X X . .|
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . O X . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . .|
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . X . .|
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . .|
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ +--------------------------------------+[/go]


I absolutely want to prevent him to play this point.

When I played 24, I planned to sacrifice some stones to make shape. He didn't crosscut, but I see no need to add a stone here (if I connect firmly, as B I'd play a then 26, or the contrary).

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[go]$$Wm26
$$ +--------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O a b .|
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . . X . .|
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X X . .|
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . O X . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . .|
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . X . .|
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . c . . .|
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . .|
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ +--------------------------------------+[/go]


What I wanted was to play the a-b sequence, but I think his last move made b unnecessary for B to live, so I'm afraid he plays my 26 instead.

I expect he answers around c. But I think I've limited his influence. I think the game is balanced.


@ EdLee :

Thanks for the answer. But you still think my 10k analysis was erroneous, and the result shown unstandable for B, so I overestimate the value of a moyo ?

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Tryphon,
My feeling was the (broken-shape) result in the upper right corner locally was very bad for B.
Tryphon wrote:
But you still think my 10k analysis...
The ranks merely give a rough guideline reference point; after that, better to just let the stones do the talking. :)
Since a more global reply may affect the still on-going game, the following is hidden until after the game: :)
Globally, I'm not sure. :mrgreen: Obviously, it has a lot to do with what happens in the lower right areas.
But there are just too many possibilities. For example:
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[go]$$W
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . .|
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . .|
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ +--------------------------------------+[/go]

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Post #45 Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 12:21 am 
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[go]$$Bcm27
$$ +--------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . .|
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . . X . .|
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X X . .|
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . O X . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . .|
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . 1 , . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . .|
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . .|
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ +--------------------------------------+[/go]

Good move i think from tryphon.. i feel like i keep responding and he really grabbed the initiative when he got O14.
Still not too worried though.
i hesitated between this and the knight extension, and blocking from the other side
thanks to ishida for those standard answers
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[go]$$Bcm27
$$ +--------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . .|
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . . X . .|
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X X . .|
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . O X . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . .|
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . c , . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . .|
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . a . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . b . . .|
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . .|
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ +--------------------------------------+[/go]


The joseki i know for a is as follow (up to :b31:):
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[go]$$Bcm27
$$ +--------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . .|
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . . X . .|
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X X . .|
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . O X . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . .|
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 O . X . .|
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . 2 1 3 . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . .|
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . .|
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ +--------------------------------------+[/go]


the knight move is not sente but in addition locally he got:
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[go]$$Bcm27
$$ +--------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . .|
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . . X . .|
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X X . .|
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . O X . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . .|
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . 2 . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . .|
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . .|
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . .|
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ +--------------------------------------+[/go]

annoying too.

Thats the reason why i consdiered c.. block form he "wrong side" of my framework ... this could go like this:
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[go]$$Bcm27
$$ +--------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . .|
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . . X . .|
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X X . .|
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . O X . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . .|
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . 2 1 3 . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 O . X . .|
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . .|
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ +--------------------------------------+[/go]

There is a more forceful way to go for :white: : but the ladder deosnt owrk so i think i am fine:
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[go]$$Bcm27
$$ +--------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . .|
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . . X . .|
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X X . .|
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . O X . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . .|
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . 1 . 5 . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 4 X . .|
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 2 . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . .|
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ +--------------------------------------+[/go]


i feel like maybe :b31: here protects the side almost as good as the knight move but the question is do i benefit from the 1-2-3-4 echange ? The bad: W is stronger to descend
the good: i could make a big capture on the right if he doesnt answer

this decisions are killing me: i have 3 diags and NO idea which one is better ...
actually while writing this post i changed my mind 3 times already
an aside on beginner trouble : what good are josekis if you cannot pick the good one ?

Anyway i need a decison, this is a learning game, so i ll try to go out of my confort zone which would be the knight move.
and really i dislike the first diag... so i just talked myself into the weird c .... we ll see if there is a string of 10 comments just after this one (in other malkovitch i noticed its a clear indication that something went south)
i seems at least to try to use the fact that he chose not protect arounf Q12 .. P13 looks yummi after the last diag

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Post #46 Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 7:24 am 
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edit : sorry, I've mistaken one of the diagram on the comments with the one with move played. Corrected (it's not a takeback, as you'll see when comments will be unhidden).

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[go]$$Wcm28
$$ +--------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . .|
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . . X . .|
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X X . .|
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . O X . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . .|
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . 1 X . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . .|
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . .|
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ +--------------------------------------+[/go]


The fight seems tough :

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[go]$$Bcm29
$$ +--------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . .|
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . . X . .|
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X X . .|
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . O X . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 O . .|
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . .|
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . 7 . X O 2 . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 O 1 X . .|
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . .|
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ +--------------------------------------+[/go]


Not good too (I reluctantly consider this variation anyway, since at move 29, W put himself in a bad shape) :

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[go]$$Wcm28
$$ +--------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . .|
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . . X . .|
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X X . .|
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . O X . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . .|
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . 4 7 .|
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X 2 3 5 .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 O 1 X 6 .|
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . .|
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ +--------------------------------------+[/go]


The first idea was to limit B influence, so, even if I find it a little submissive, I take the outside, and will certainly suffer a loss (but I do think B moyo limitation is worth it) :

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[go]$$Wcm28
$$ +--------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . .|
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . . X . .|
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X X . .|
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . O X . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . .|
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . 1 X 2 . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 O . X . .|
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
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$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . .|
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
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Post #47 Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:42 pm 
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O X 1 . . .|
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$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . .|
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ +--------------------------------------+[/go]


standard, not much to hide

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Post #48 Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 4:20 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . .|
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . . X . .|
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . .|
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$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . O X . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . .|
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O X X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O . X . .|
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . .|
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ +--------------------------------------+[/go]


Standard too, I presume.

Okay, I could gave played an hanging connection, but that would allow him a good peep (this sentence can be vary bad translated in french) !

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[go]$$Wcm30
$$ +--------------------------------------+
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . .|
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . . X . .|
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X X . .|
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . O X . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . .|
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O X X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . O . X . .|
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . .|
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ +--------------------------------------+[/go]


Now, he will either cut at a, atari at b, or extend at c :

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[go]$$Wcm30
$$ +--------------------------------------+
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . .|
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . . X . .|
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X X . .|
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . b O X . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a O . .|
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O X X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O . X . .|
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . c . . .|
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . .|
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ +--------------------------------------+[/go]

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Post #49 Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:25 am 
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[go]$$Bcm31
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . .|
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . .|
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ +--------------------------------------+[/go]


still in the joseki as far as i know

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Post #50 Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 5:51 am 
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$$ | . . O . . . e e . . O . . O . . X . .|
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$$ | . . . d . . . . . . . . . O . X X . .|
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . O X . .|
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O X X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . b . . Q Q . X . .|
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . .|
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$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . c . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . , . . . a . X . . . . . , . . .|
$$ | . . O . . . . a . . . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ +--------------------------------------+[/go]


Here are the moves I consider :
a : a dual purpose move : it widens my framework at the bottom, and threatens an invasion. I don't remember if I mentionned it before, but it's a move I consider since before plays on the right edge. I didn't play it before because B's normal reaction would be a tobi, that would have reinforced more his moyo on the right.

But now, because of marked stones, B's prospects in this area are way smaller, so I think it's the good time to play it.

b would be natural too, but it accomplishes less (only streghtens top moyo)

c I think is bad : it'll be "playing on dame"

d is appealing, because B's stones are still weak (if I'm not mistaken, they doesn't even have a base yet), but they'd probably flee towards the bottom, which is the most open area of the board.

e is big, but gote.

I'll think about this position a little more, but I really think I'll play a.

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$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . O X . .|
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O X X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . X . .|
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . , . . . 1 . X . . . . . , . . .|
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ +--------------------------------------+[/go]


As already said. I choose the high approac because if I played a low one, he could cap me, and that could help his stones on the left edge.

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Post #52 Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 12:46 pm 
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . . X . .|
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$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . O X . .|
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . X . .|
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . O . O . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . , . . . O . X . . . . . , . . .|
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ +--------------------------------------+[/go]

mm i want to tenuki so badly to play at a b c d e .... BUT i am afraid of that :w34: which would pincer my middle stone; i considered leaning 1 to the left BU then he can cut the keima and the ladder doesnt work because of O9.
So i answer again... on the other hand this move as territorial signification
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . .|
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . . X . .|
$$ | . . . O d e . . . f . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . b . . . . . . . . . . . O . X X . .|
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . a O X . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . .|
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O X X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . X . .|
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . , . . . O . X . 2 . . . , . . .|
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ +--------------------------------------+[/go]

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*bump* still there tryphon ?

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Oh, terribly sorry. I had lots of busy days recently that left me exhausted, and forgot about our game.
:oops:

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[go]$$Wcm34
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . .|
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . . X . .|
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X X . .|
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . O X . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . .|
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O X X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . X . .|
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . O . O . . . . . X . . . 1 . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . , . . . O . X . . . . . , . . .|
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ +--------------------------------------+[/go]


I think it's still sente. I plan to make soon a gote move, either to reinforce the top or the left edge.

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did not forget this game but i havent had time to just sit and think a bit this week :geek:
spoilers on my so called "thought process"
i really really want to cut at O11 or near but cant make it work :(.
i will almost certainly NOT answer around N4 i have been pushed around to much already.

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[go]$$Bcm35
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . .|
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . . X . .|
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X X . .|
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . O X . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . .|
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . .|
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O X X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . X . .|
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . O . O . . . . . X . . . O . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . , . . . O . X . . . . . , . . .|
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ +--------------------------------------+[/go]


maybe an overplay but i play to learn after all.
This is the move i wanted to play from the start but i had trouble to make it work. Not sure it really works now in fact

i want to cut and attack his stones
N4 was way to passive
and reducion on the top was temptinmg too but mabe i i harass his grioup i will be in position to invade stronger.
on the other hand a shallow reduction of the top might led to a reinforcemtn of him preventing me to attack his stones

current plan is as follow:
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[go]$$Bcm35 :b45:@b
$$ +--------------------------------------+
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . .|
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . . X . .|
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X X . .|
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . a O X . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . b 0 6 3 5 . . O . .|
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . 9 7 2 1 4 . . . .|
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . 8 O X X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . X . .|
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . O . O . . . . . X . . . O . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . , . . . O . X . . . . . , . . .|
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ +--------------------------------------+[/go]

this works because there is ladder on M12.
b is sad but necessary (unless a is possible ...), at least this is a big gote and not only a connection.

Then i dont really expect to catch his stones but i expect to build thickness facing the top for a better reduction.
The hope (really "hope go" at play here )is that this will help my right stones and not hurt them)
i did read 10 move deep but it is very narrow reading..
i also considered the double hane:
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[go]$$Bcm35 :b45:@a or b
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . .|
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . . X . .|
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
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$$ | . . O . X . . . . . a 9 . . . O X . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . b 4 3 7 . . O . .|
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . 8 5 2 1 . . . . .|
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . 0 6 O X X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . X . .|
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
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$$ | . O . O . . . . . X . . . O . . . . .|
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$$ +--------------------------------------+[/go]

i am countign alot on the fact hat he has to play :b42:, :b44: that way.
Here i hope (again )i will have a couple forcing moves against his group and that :b45:,:b46: will be useful agains the top (more so than his strengthen w group)


in the end i mainly played what i wanted to play after convincing myself its playable :-?
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Post #57 Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 1:46 pm 
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$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . O X . .|
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$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . 1 X . . . . .|
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . , . . . O . X . . . . . , . . .|
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ +--------------------------------------+[/go]


Interesting. I'd like to reinforce the bottom stones in sente, because :w34: has some intersting features, on the two black stones in the middle bottom and the two in the corner.

I don't mind sacrificing stones in the Q13-R12 area : thoses stones were meant to contain black influence, they played their role.

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Post #58 Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 8:31 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . O . .|
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O X X . . .|
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$$ +--------------------------------------+[/go]

as planned, i have huge doubts about this move but want to try it.
forgot to mention another obviosu reponse here in my prev post:
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$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . a . O X . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 7 1 2 . . O . .|
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . 5 O X 3 . . . .|
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . 4 6 O X X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . X . .|
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ +--------------------------------------+[/go]


i can't really judge this exchange but i hope that i will benefit from having an access to the center more than W benefits form having his group strengthen (i can capture :w38: by playing a OR extend into the center

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Post #59 Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 8:46 am 
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$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . O X . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X 1 . . O . .|
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . .|
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O X X . . .|
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ +--------------------------------------+[/go]


More comments later (I'm not at home and can't manage to keep the computer long enough to write) but it seems the fight is playable (onr weak group against two).

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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . . X . .|
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X X . .|
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . O X . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . O . .|
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X 1 . . . .|
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O X X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . X . .|
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
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$$ | . O . O . . . . . X . . . O . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . , . . . O . X . . . . . , . . .|
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ +--------------------------------------+[/go]

if there is an alternative i don't see it.

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