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 Post subject: Re: 128. Dusk Eagle vs Psychee
Post #41 Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 2:29 am 
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[go]$$Bcm40 Prisoners: :b100: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . O . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . , O X . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


There is no hurry to play anywhere around the ko area.

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Post #42 Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 4:52 am 
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[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoners: :b100: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . O . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . , O X . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . 1 . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Not too happy about my position right now, but we'll see if I can manage it. This move secures the bottom group, now I just need to somehow deal with my middle group.

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Post #43 Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:15 am 
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[go]$$Bcm42 Prisoners: :b100: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . O . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . , O X . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



I now feel very confused with the kos. How can I valuation if it worths to play or not. And White move at 41 is perfect shape. Is then move 40 too slow?

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Post #44 Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 4:13 am 
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If you *had* to play black 10 and also 30 (say you'd reached a similar position against a seven dan in a handicap game), where would you? (short sequence appreciated). (Alternately, whether you felt it was an appropriate punishment for a preceding mistake (eg. you would have preferred 8 @K17, as you said)).

Also, I only just noticed your 1000th post, pretty quality stuff.

Not for players;
I feel like Psychee forgot about the giant leftern moyo, which has been in place since :b24: . However I don't feel strong enough to comment myself on how black's play in the bottom right/right should have taken that into account (just in case someone else wants to take up that cross).

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Post #45 Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 9:58 am 
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[go]$$Wcm43 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . O . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . , O X . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 1 X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Sometimes it's better to play at O7 rather than capture, but I think here this move is better (it leaves me a bunch of possible ataries on his stones). If I were him, my next move would be N7.


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I would have played :b10: just like he did, but I like the result white got on the top side (considering black started with control of both the top corners), though I feel I somehow could have done slightly better, run-on sentence ftw. That's why I would have preferred as black to play :b8: at K17.

Regarding :b30:, I don't normally consider playing a move like Q9 when I have a stone like Q6, but I didn't say it was bad. This result on the right actually seems pretty good for him right now, though whether that's because :b30: is great or because of an error on my part (such as :w33:) is hard for me to say.

To be honest, I'm not sure what I would have done if I was black at move 30. I would find it rather awkward to handle, which is the reason I played :w29: in the first place.

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Post #46 Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 10:03 am 
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The reason I left no comment for :w39: is that I couldn't properly justify it, but I didn't want to talk myself out of playing it :mrgreen:.

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Post #47 Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 2:20 am 
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[go]$$Bcm44 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . O . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . , O X . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


To connect which side, I'll think about it later...

And I should have played P3 first after he strengthened his group... Seems i lost on timing.

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Post #48 Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 5:00 am 
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[go]$$Wcm45 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . O . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . , O X . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O 1 O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

No choice here. I'm kind of surprised he avoided the ko throughout this whole sequence - it seems to me that fighting the ko could have been quite favorable for him.

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Post #49 Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:32 am 
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[go]$$Bcm46 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . O . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . , O X . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]





Oh, this is just such an headache :evil: ...

Too many cuts.

Someone sent me a message this morning, in which he mentioned this game saying I was ahead. And I don't believe so :-? .

Just a note for myself: I want S15, I want P3, I want R10....

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Post #50 Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 2:52 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm47 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . O . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . , O X . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Hmm. In my judgment, that last move was a mistake. I would have connected on the other side. He may have feared the push-and-cut variation starting at :w4:, but after :b9: I think I lose.

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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . O . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . , O X . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . 3 X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 X O X 9 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 6 4 X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 X 5 . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

But in the actual game, I believe I can cut through him, so that's what I'm doing. I don't want to connect along the second line to my top-right group unless/until I absolutely have to. If he ends up letting this group live on its own, than a second-line connection would be redundant.

Currently, I don't see any very good variations for him, so I'm starting to feel pretty good about the game again. Let's see what he has in mind.

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . O . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . , O X . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 1 3 X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 5 . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm1 :b6: at :bc:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . O . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . , O X . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 4 3 B O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 1 7 X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #51 Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:07 pm 
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s'funny, I rather liked that block side:

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[go]$$Wcm47 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . O . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . , O X . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 4 . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 3 X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #52 Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 2:23 am 
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[go]$$Bcm48 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . O . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . , O X . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I would consider this connect is necessary. Play at N6 in this situation is not considerable.

My aims are:

1. build a strong wall towards center.
2. make sure my corner lives.
3. prevent his group from connecting.

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Post #53 Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 4:59 am 
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[go]$$Wcm49 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . O . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . , O X . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 1 X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Maybe this is best for him:

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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . O . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . , O X . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X a . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O . 1 . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . 3 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

It's hard to say for sure, but this result seems better than straight connecting at either :w2: or 'a' for :b1:.

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Post #54 Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 2:59 am 
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[go]$$Bcm50 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . O . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . , O X . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O . 1 . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Reading is my weakest part.

Here, to seal black in doesn't work well if two black group connects. So still try to separate them.

Will white nobi at P3?

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[go]$$Wcm51 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . O . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . , O X . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This is fine for me. I still have many ways to reduce his corner later.

I'd write more, but I really didn't know what else to say right now.

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Post #56 Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 5:55 am 
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[go]$$Bcm48 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . O . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . , O X . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I would consider this connect is necessary. Play at N6 in this situation is not considerable.

My aims are:

1. build a strong wall towards center.
2. make sure my corner lives.
3. prevent his group from connecting.


Let's look at the play at N6 that Psychee rejects...
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[go]$$Bc Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . O . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . , O X . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 3 2 B O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O 6 X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O . 7 . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

:b5: at the marked stone
I think this is more or less the normal expectation. Black has achieved the aim of separating the White groups and building strength in the center. From here the players have to resolve the corner. Objectively White has weaknesses on both sides so Black should not fear the fight. On the other hand, this is a four-stone game so Black may well not be confident of surviving disaster in the corner. However, the first step to becoming stronger is not to dismiss N6 unless one has analyzed at least this far.

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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . O . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . , O X . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 2 . O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . 1 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

After :b1:, I'll probably have to take gote with :w2:, which gives him another move on the left. That's rather dissatisfying, but what can I do about it?

I think I've caught up somewhat from the four-stone handicap, but will I really have enough at the end? I think I'll need to be quite aggressive and greedy from now to pull the game so that it's close enough for me to hopefully catch up in endgame.

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Post #58 Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 4:28 am 
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[go]$$Bcm52 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . O . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . , O X . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . 1 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


huh --- nothing to comment

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[go]$$Wcm53 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . O . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . , O X . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 . O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm54 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . O . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . , O X . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . X O . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Sorry, was busy this morning, so was a bit late :)
And weekends, as usual, may be away from go board :-)

Ok, he's out. Now need to solidly reduce the aji in the corner. Even though O12 is big.

He earned a move at S16 in the fight :rambo:

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