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Post #41 Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 7:08 pm 
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . 3 . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


i remember studying this joseky when i was about 7 kyu.
now i forgot most..but i think what i played is correct sofar..

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Post #42 Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 8:30 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm20 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 4 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think that this is sente. I want to play here, because I hate a floating group. It is harder to make territory in the center. Many people are good at it, but it's hard for me.

Since I can get this move, I think, in sente, I want to play it now. I don't think it's aji keshi, as it keeps white enclosed.

Provided this is sente, I'll protect my group on the bottom next.

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Post #43 Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 1:43 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O 5 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #44 Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 5:06 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . 6 X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It is time to help my group on the bottom. I don't think white got a ton with this sequence, but maybe he will get a bit more compensation pressing down my group.

So far, Magicwand at 2 stones is not so bad. Let's see what he has in store for me in the middle game. :-)

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Post #45 Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 7:06 am 
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Some personal analysis on this board position:
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[go]$$Wcm20 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . X X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


My bottom group feels safe and secure. If possible, I want to get sente so that I can play somewhere else on the board, first.

White's "influence" from playing the 5-4 point is somewhat offset by the marked stones:
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[go]$$Wcm20 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B B . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O B O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . X X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


In that sense, I have no real fear at this point, because I feel that the influence is still in balance, and black is is still ahead (I think, at least).

It is good to keep in mind on the left side to have a ladder breaker, so that I can play the cut when convenient:
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[go]$$Wcm20 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . B W . O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , W O B O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . X X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Of course, it is not the time now (eg. I have no ladder breaker), and I might never get the chance, depending on how the flow of the game goes.

If I do get sente, the question becomes one of where I should play.

It would be nice, of course, to respond to white's approach from earlier:
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[go]$$Wcm20 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . C . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . W . . . . . X X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This might be as simple as playing somewhere like the marked spot, above.

Another big point, of course, is enclosing the top left corner. I'd like to get that, too, if possible.

I feel somewhat inclined to play a move on the right to assist the stones I have on the side:
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[go]$$Wcm20 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B B . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . X X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


But I'm having difficulty thinking of a single move that seems to assist those stones in a "smooth way". For that reason, I will probably have to leave them and wait for his attack. I will have to use their strength to strike back. :twisted:

That's simply because I can't find a way to defend them well in one move right now. So probably, the top move candidates I'm thinking of if I get sente are:
1.) Responding to the bottom left approach.

2.) Enclosing the top left.

It's unlikely that I can do both of these. But it'd be nice if I could. Actually, I don't even know for sure that I'll get sente on the bottom, but I think that those areas are still the next points of interest.

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Post #46 Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 7:55 am 
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[go]$$Wcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . X X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

black's last move is not a joseky to my knowledge.
i am thinking because i can play as above...
i do not know exactly why it is good move but i am guessing that is the only move that white can play to make black's last move an overplay. do i make any sense????

edit : i just noticed that i mess up on numbering on move #10
we will correct them from this move 27

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Post #47 Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 8:15 am 
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mmm, interesting idea - any resistance for Black to this?

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[go]$$Wcm26 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . 7 X X 3 2 X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 9 8 5 4 1 X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #48 Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 8:20 am 
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[go]$$Bcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . X X . 7 X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Hmm. Maybe I made a slight mistake.

If I were afraid, I could always play this way:
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[go]$$Bcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . X X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . B O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


But that is a "pansy-ish" way of playing. Now that I've made the mistake, I anticipate something like this:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . 8 6 X X 1 B X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 9 7 5 3 2 C X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . 0 X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Actually, I might push along the 3rd line for further, before playing :b10:, but this is just to illustrate the idea in one diagram.

Of course, I think he benefits from this a bit, but I will probably be OK, as his stones are somewhat weak:
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . W W X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . W . W . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . X X X X W X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If he tries to take away my second eye sooner, I think I can capture him first.

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[go]$$Bcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . X X 8 X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 9 O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . 3 X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 4 2 O X C X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
edit:
if it was an even game..below would be a success for white for sure.
but i lose sente and let him stablize the left corner. that is what i dont like..
so i am forcing the issue and make it more complicated for him and myself.
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[go]$$Bcm31 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 8 . 6 . O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O 5 O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . 2 X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 4 3 O X C X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . 1 . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm31 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . c . . O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O b 9 7 5 3 X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 0 8 6 4 2 O X C X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . a X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

he can extend to 39 above and answer at "a" then i will play "b" then he can play at "c" to attack me ...
it doent look good for white..
but is he going to play to above sequence???

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[go]$$Bcm31 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . 5 X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So, as mentioned earlier, I think I can capture him if he tries to take my other eye. As long as that is true, I can keep going.

For him to capture me, he has to play the following spots:
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[go]$$Bcm31 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O . O T X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O O X T X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . T T X B T T T |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


That's 7 places that he had to play, but I respond to one to make an eye, so that's 6 places. He takes up some of his own liberties by playing there, though. Anyway, I hate counting liberties, and prefer reading.

So each move he plays, I will read to make sure I can kill him by extending further.

In this case:
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . B X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 2 O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 4 6 . . X . 1 5 3 |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Well, that works for sure, with liberties to spare. So I can keep going. Let's make him crawl on the 2nd line.

I do think he is a bit ahead, though.

Maybe this move was too far??
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[go]$$Bcm31 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . B . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I guess he could have played the same thing here:
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . 7 X 3 2 X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 4 1 X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Though, I have the ladder, I suppose.

I'll have to take a look at this joseki later, to see what the pros think. ;-)

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Kirby wrote:
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[go]$$Bcm31 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . 5 X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So, as mentioned earlier, I think I can capture him if he tries to take my other eye. As long as that is true, I can keep going.

For him to capture me, he has to play the following spots:
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[go]$$Bcm31 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O . O T X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O O X T X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . T T X B T T T |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


That's 7 places that he had to play, but I respond to one to make an eye, so that's 6 places. He takes up some of his own liberties by playing there, though. Anyway, I hate counting liberties, and prefer reading.

So each move he plays, I will read to make sure I can kill him by extending further.

In this case:
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . B X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 2 O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 4 6 . . X . 1 5 3 |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Well, that works for sure, with liberties to spare. So I can keep going. Let's make him crawl on the 2nd line.

I do think he is a bit ahead, though.

Maybe this move was too far??
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[go]$$Bcm31 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . B . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I guess he could have played the same thing here:
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . 7 X 3 2 X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 4 1 X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Though, I have the ladder, I suppose.

I'll have to take a look at this joseki later, to see what the pros think. ;-)


@Kirby:
You have the ladder? What are you thinking?

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...
@Kirby:
You have the ladder? What are you thinking?


Ah, yes. That's right. Misread. Sorry.

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[go]$$Bcm31 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 6 O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm31 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . 7 X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think I lost a bit from overstretching earlier, but I think I'm still "OK" with moving along the 3rd line more:
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 2 O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 4 8 . 7 . X 6 1 5 3 |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 9 O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


i believe he can extend once more.
but by placing this hide tag he might assume that i am posting the killing sequence and play timid move.
:)

edit: kirby i changed the number to correct number.
edit: after careful inspection...he will die if he try to extend again..

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OK, Magicwand.

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[go]$$Wcm31 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . 0 X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think that it's time to live over here. I have the option of continuing on the 3rd line, but I don't like the sequences.

Here is the first option:
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O . O 0 X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . 1 X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 3 O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 5 7 9 . . . X 8 2 6 4 |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm11 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . W W X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . W W C O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X X X X X X W C C O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O O O O X 2 C C O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X 1 3 . X O O O O |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Yes, I capture 5 stones. But he captures 5 stones, and the marked stones are now totally alive and strong.

Here is the second option:
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . 1 X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 3 O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 5 9 C . 8 0 X 7 2 6 4 |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Then I play at the marked spot for ko. But do you think there are any ko threats on this board that are big enough to play this way?

...

I don't think so, either.

So I will simply live. I don't capture his stones. He doesn't capture my stones. Both of our groups are weak. I like it alright.

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Looking at the picture, instead of just visualizing it in my head, I actually don't mind this result that much:
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[go]$$Bcm11 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . W W X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . W W C O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X X X X X X W C C O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X C C C C C X 2 C C O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X 1 3 . X O O O O |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



It simplifies the game quite a bit, which may be good since I have a 2-stone handicap here.

However, I guess that duking it out and allowing further complexity might be fun, too. :-)

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Here is what I'm daydreaming about right now:
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 0 6 5 9 O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . 3 2 . , 7 O 4 O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . 1 X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 9 . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . 8 7 4 . 0 X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 6 5 3 X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X 2 1 O O X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I don't have to worry about the net:
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[go]$$Wcm21 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 6 3 4 . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . 1 2 O 5 . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . 8 X O X . X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X X O O O X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So then I should be concerned about if I can capture the white stones:

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[go]$$Wcm21 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 5 . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . 7 2 3 . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O X . X X 1 . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X X O O O X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


After the last white move, above, things don't really work... So I need to either figure out a way to deal with this, or have an alternate plan.

That's what I'm thinking of right now.

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 Post subject: Re: 133. Magicwand vs. Kirby
Post #60 Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 1:43 pm 
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Maybe just this?
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm21 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O X . X X 1 . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X X O O O X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm not quite sure, yet. There's also this move to consider, too:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm21 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . 1 . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O X . X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X X O O O X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X X X X X O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


All in all, fun game so far! :tmbup:

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