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 Post subject: Re: 136. Magicwand vs. Kirby - Fire, Strike, 2 stones again!
Post #41 Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 11:36 am 
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[go]$$Wcm20 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . O . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think I've made a mistake somewhere. I don't know where. I guess I need to do damage control... Hopefully I can.

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Post #42 Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 11:41 am 
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[go]$$Wcm20 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . O . . . O . X . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


i think this will be very short game...
i dont think black can play that cut..

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Post #43 Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 11:49 am 
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simple reading will tell you that it is not a ladder and black can not cover both weakness a and b same time.
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X b . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 1 4 . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . a 2 X O 5 . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . O . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


he may try ko...but it looks too ugly for black.
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[go]$$Wcm20 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 9 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 6 . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . 7 X O 8 . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . O . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


i dont see any good move for black..

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Post #44 Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 4:02 pm 
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not for kirby until the end:
there is no way i can kill that one stone in the corner without aji.
therefore it is not wise to move the stone.

it would be better for him to strengthen his middle group as below than what he played.
after his group in the middle become strong his corner life will worth something.
but now his side group is too weak to play such move.

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[go]$$Wcm20 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . O . . . O . B . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

for example: if i play at :w1: and black plays :b2:
black corner is almost solid but my corner is not.
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . O . . . O . B . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


conclusion: if your opponent is not willing to play there...why should you play???

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Post #45 Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 6:04 pm 
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Just as an FYI, unless otherwise noted, my hidden comments are for observers only, until the end of the game.

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Post #46 Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 6:54 pm 
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I fear for Kirby :/

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Post #47 Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 7:47 am 
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[go]$$Wcm20 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 6 . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . O . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Yes, I am weak. Maybe I was getting too cocky before.

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Post #48 Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 9:28 am 
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[go]$$Wcm20 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . 7 C O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . O . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
black selected atari... next move prediction ...ko??

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Post #49 Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 1:48 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O 8 . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . O . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It'll be painful for awhile. I'm glad I at least started with two stones.

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Post #50 Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 5:18 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 9 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . O . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

edit:
black will have taugh time answering my approach because of the possible ko.
although i can fight ko now and win i can get more out of him by waiting till i have more ko threats.
all i have to is make sure that black can not tenuki and make more threat.

i think stronger players would have played as i did above.

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Post #51 Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 5:28 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . 0 . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . O . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This is a hard game to play...

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Post #52 Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 6:52 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , 1 X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . O . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i have to hanne even if it doesnt work.. i think..

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O 2 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X . X . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . O . . . . O . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 2 O 3 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . O . . . O . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Bleh.

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X 3 X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . 2 4 5 . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . O . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Bleh.

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O 3 4 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , 1 X 5 X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . 2 6 7 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . O . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Bleh.

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . C O 2 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , 1 X 4 X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . C 3 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . O . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm30 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 3 O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . O . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

first instinct is to atari..but then it will not be good for "a" invasion.
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[go]$$Wcm30 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 5 O 2 . a . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X 4 X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . O . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
edit:
some might argue that below is be better than what i played.
i can see why they think that but also i see why i played as i did.

i might be totally wrong because below looks fine my any pair of eye.
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 5 O 2 . a . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X 4 X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . O . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



from what i have played..i can see few intresting aji black has.
example below:
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[go]$$Wcm30 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 3 O 2 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . 5 4 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . O . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i am thinking that i can manage that aji or kirby doesnt play perfectly.
i am curious on what he will play for next move.

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Post #55 Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 10:29 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . O . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I guess I get to play at both spots...

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Post #56 Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 8:35 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . 5 X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . O . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
i am guessing that my opponent will play as below.
it is aji-keshi for it is only helping white build wall. yes there are weakness in white but i think i can manage it.
i dont see anything that will help black after below sequence.
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[go]$$Wcm30 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . 5 X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 7 6 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O 8 . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . O . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #57 Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 3:51 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . O . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I fear white's future play in the marked area:
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[go]$$Wcm30 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X . C . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . O . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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I fear white's future play in the marked area:
[go]$$Wcm30 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
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Old kyu proverb - In order to deal with a weakness, create another weakness nearby.

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Post #59 Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 6:20 pm 
Tengen
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so we shall fight.

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Post #60 Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 2:39 pm 
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I can't precisely explain why, but this seems like a key place to play in order for white not to get too strong in the area. I do not know what variations will arise, but it seems I should play here.

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