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Offline TIM82
 Post subject: Re: Re:
Post #41 Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 7:08 am 
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[go]$$Bm33
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


Aiming at A and B below. I expect Ed to defend against A - I'll take B, which I expect to either enclose black in corner or make him run with only one eye, unless my reading is crap. Both should help somewhat against the aji around C, and also generate some points for me. Finally, it's hopefully not trivial for Ed to defend against A without leaving me space for action on right, or the option to flatten him there. I'm playing current move before B to make it more unlikely that black just chooses to live enclosed in bottom left corner and reduces me from outside.

That's my fantasy, let's see how reality turns out. ;-)

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[go]$$Bm33
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . b X . X . . . . . . . . 2 . . a . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . c O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline EdLee
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Post #42 Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:05 pm 
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My first feeling about :w34: is it looks fancy, but a bit thin? :study:
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Offline TIM82
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Post #43 Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 4:52 am 
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To observers: As this is my first Malkovich, any feedback on quality of comments (longer, shorter, different content), or any particular questions? I'm having much fun myself, and think I'm perhaps also learning things, but would be great if this provided something for others too.

Some further thoughts while waiting Ed. Since then I have been wondering whether A,B or something else is the continuation if Ed doesn't defend the side - that actually seems better plan than defending perhaps. Did I overestimate the threat? If it comes to that, will have to study what kind weaknesses I can find from the enclosure in each case.

If Ed defends, I'll take 1 first, then probably something like 2,3. Taking 3 directly would enable Ed to fly over my bottom area too low for comfort.

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[go]$$Wm1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O 2 . . . . . . . . . . . b . . |
$$ | . 3 X . X . 1 . . . . . . O . . a . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]




Below, or similar is not so good.
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[go]$$Wm1
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . O . 5 1 6 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . 2 X . 8 |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . , . . . . . , . 4 . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


How much an overplay this is??
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[go]$$Wm1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . O . . 1 . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . 2 X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


Not so clear how B would answer 1, nor what kind of possibilities I have in the corner. Feels slack, not putting pressure on black?
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[go]$$Wm1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
I think (but I'm not 100% sure) this is the first time I play this shape,
which makes sense, since I also think it's the first time I saw :w34:... interesting. :)
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Offline The Intrepid
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Post #45 Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:49 pm 
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What's your view on the current state of affairs? Do you think any side is preferable and/or easier to play right now or do you view the position as essentially even?

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Offline TIM82
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Post #46 Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 1:50 am 
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[go]$$Bm35
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . 2 X . X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


More comments and reply to The Intrepid at the evening.

Chose this way in the end - If I was sure Ed would answer B to my A, that would be ok, but I'm afraid he would play C instead. Also, If I end up enclosing, a stone at A might seem a bit misplaced.

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[go]$$Bm33
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O b . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . c X . X . a . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #47 Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:10 am 
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For beginners. In Ishida's Dictionary of Basic Joseki, volume 1, page 239, Diagram 5,
there is a :w9: which I didn't understand, until now. Tim's :w36: explains it. :)
If :b1:, then :w2: kills an eye in sente,
so the entire B group is left with one gote eye, and has to run forever:
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O O . . . . .
$$ | . W X . X . . . .
$$ | . 2 1 X . . . . .
$$ | . 3 O X O O . . .
$$ | . X X O O X . . .
$$ | . X O . . . . . .
$$ | . . . 4 . . . . .
$$ -------------------[/go]
If :b1:, then :w4: cuts off :bc: in sente:
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O O . . . . .
$$ | . W X 2 B . . . .
$$ | . 5 3 X 4 . . . .
$$ | . 1 O X O O . . .
$$ | . X X O O X . . .
$$ | . X O . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ -------------------[/go]
Will think about this:
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O O . . . . .
$$ | . W X 2 X . . . .
$$ | . 1 3 X . . . . .
$$ | . . O X O O . . .
$$ | . X X O O X . . .
$$ | . X O . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ -------------------[/go]
Will also think about this (my second feeling):
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O O . . . . .
$$ | . W X . X . . . .
$$ | . . . X . . . . .
$$ | . . O X O O . . .
$$ | . X X O O X . . .
$$ | . X O 1 . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ -------------------[/go]
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline TIM82
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Post #49 Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 12:43 am 
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Happy holidays Ed!

About the position: I really suck at counting and this kind of positional judgement, not much experience, but let's try, need to learn it someday
    I have ~20 at bottom and 15ish at side and top together. Add komi, that makes 40+
    Black has 15ish in the left corners together.
So Black needs about 25+ from top+right, plus equal to whatever I manage to make on there.

In my opinion this seems playable for both, depends on how well I handle right. Migt be totally wrong though. I prefer white, as in my opinion I have more active options at the moment.

Regarding next moves: I really want to play A or cut at B, but cut is gote, and I'm a bit afraid A might be too. B could perhaps then just reduce from outside while expanding his right side moyo.

IMHO black still doesn't have a single good move which locks down right side. Would love to manage an invasion or reduction that wouldn't give whole top right corner to Black. Can I make a move at top before moving in on side to add some aji? Need to think this over .

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[go]$$Bm37
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X b X . a . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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Tim, Happy holidays. :)
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Post #51 Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:00 am 
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[go]$$Bm37
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


Let's see what Ed does here. If I'm correct, the cut at A should hinder black's operations at the bottom sufficiently for the moment. Aiming to reduce lightly with 2, then something like B or C depending on what happened with this reduction.

If I just pluck a stone in the middle of right side, I will get pincered and no good will come out of that. Selected this move mainly based on some variations of B, where I might get a wall running up from B, this could fit nice ly to that.
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[go]$$Bm37
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . b c . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X a X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bm39
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . , 1 . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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In a mood to experiment. ;-)
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Post #55 Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2012 10:16 am 
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[go]$$Bm39
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . 2 1 . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #56 Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2012 10:26 am 
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My first reaction was :shock: :scratch: :shock: . After thinking about this, I still see no reason for Ed's move. What will the evil masterplan be? Well, at least I will hopefully learn something by walking into this...

In my opinion, Ed just created a weak stone for no reason. Compared to my last move on the side, this feels really too deep due to my position at the bottom being stronger than Ed's on the side. If Ed isn't careful, he may even jeopardize his lower right corner? And at minimum this helps to fix the aji at the bottom I was worried about earlier.
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$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . 1 . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #58 Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2012 2:45 pm 
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Quick initial thoughts:

Primary objective: the ogeima jump must NOT be cut. I want a wall there, supporting my lone stone on right and aiming at black corner. For this reason, considering A and B most, C and D less. E, followed by A,D,B seems to be bad.

If I manage to create a heavy group for black, the cut at G should shine. A running fight is welcome, it should help me to handle the right side, my previous move on left strenghtened that side for such a fight.
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[go]$$Bm41
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X g X . . . . . 1 . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . d e a b . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X c . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #59 Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 5:44 am 
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[go]$$Bm41
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . 1 . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . 2 . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline TIM82
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Post #60 Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 5:52 am 
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I prefer this to the one below it. Next considerations a,b
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[go]$$Bm41
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . b . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . a . 1 . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . 3 2 . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


2,3 exchange is not so cool for me
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[go]$$Bm41
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . 1 . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . 3 5 4 2 . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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