EdLee wrote:
Uberdude wrote:
Ed did you think of this diagram independently before hades?
Did you check the timestamps first before you asked the question?
I posted the diagram 5 hours before Hades played
, and 6 hours before opex replied with
.
Of course, I have no way of knowing who came up with the variation first in our minds before posting.
Yes, it was independent.
Yes I saw your post was first, but was surprised that both you and hades came up with the same (bad/strange) move that feels very unnatural to me so wanted to confirm. I want to understand both of your thinking that made you want to play this move to satisfy my own curiosity, to help me teach better and also help me generate the same mistake when I give handicap.
EdLee wrote:
Uberdude wrote:
A thank you move is a bad move which your opponent is happy to answer
Yes, I know what it is. In my games, my opponents and I make lots of thank-you moves for one another.
I'm guessing you also make some thank-you moves for your opponents, and vice versa.
I thought you would know what it is, but it seemed a good idea to clarify vocabulary before proceeding.
EdLee wrote:
Uberdude wrote:
do you really think 32 is bad and 33 good? Who do you think the 1 2 exchange benefits?
When I posted, I thought the exchange
-
was good for B. I could be completely wrong, of course.
I see thanks for clarifying. Yes, you are wrong (assuming white continues with 34 as he did)(I am sure, I would make a $100,000 bet). Btw, I don't think of 32 for 33 as an exchange. 32 was a gote move which stabilised the white group, and then black chose to make the 33-34 bad exchange, so 33 is the thank you move.
EdLee wrote:
At that time, I thought
helped B. But now, if W had not played
, then B could play
at B9, forcing W to live small in gote, painful for W.
So
in the real game forced W to come out with
. So,
probably better at C11 (kosumi) instead.
Yes it would be difficult for white to omit the slide to 32 as black's attack at b9 is painful, though if white pushes at d8 and black naturally blocks at e8 then c10 is a good tesuji for white to live or escape, so it might be better for black to attack with c10 rather than b9. Yes
at c11 is better than c10 in the game, though being gote is rather slow. In fact, looking at the whole board, black r9/r8 vs white r10 is so huge I would not dismiss white playing there instead of the b10 slide.
