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 Post subject: Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot)
Post #61 Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 6:55 am 
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[go]$$Bcm41 No Prisoners
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . O . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O 4 O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


That's a good move. Very little aji in that corner now, though.

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Post #62 Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 4:56 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm41 No Prisoners
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . 5 . . . X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Value: 50.3%

Black was undecided for a while between this and the one space jump:

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[go]$$Bcm41 No Prisoners
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . a . . . X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . b . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


a - 63%
b - 27%

Sequence:
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[go]$$Bcm45 No Prisoners
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 8 9 . O . 1 . . . X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . 0 X . . . . . O . . 6 . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 3 . . 4 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . 7 . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


notice the :b49: :w50: :b51: exchange, sacrificing the top to go for a big center moyo.

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 Post subject: Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot)
Post #63 Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 6:10 pm 
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What did fuego test for :w46: besides K18?

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Post #64 Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 7:17 pm 
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What did fuego test for :w46: besides K18?


Not much:
a - 94%
b - 2%
c - 1%
d - 1%

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[go]$$Bcm41 No Prisoners
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . a . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . 5 b . . X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . c . O . d . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Perhaps if I do this again sometime I will tinker with ways of having it explore a little more.

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Post #65 Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 5:38 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm41 No Prisoners
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . 6 X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Sorry for the delay. Black's last move is great. My plan is to stabilize this stone in the center without conceding the top. My other nearby stone can hop into the corner if necessary.

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Post #66 Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 8:02 am 
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[go]$$Bcm41 No Prisoners
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . 7 . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Value: 50.6%



sequence:
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[go]$$Bcm47 No Prisoners
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 0 5 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X 3 . O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . 2 4 O . 1 . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 7 8 . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


black spent 96% of playouts on this move, but was a bit torn on white's followup. it played 56% on the top as shown, and 38% J17:
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[go]$$Bcm41 No Prisoners
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X 8 . O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #67 Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:42 am 
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[go]$$Bcm41 No Prisoners
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 8 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I have no idea what to play. Let's try here.

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Post #68 Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:51 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm41 No Prisoners
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Value: 50.4%

It's interesting that Fuego feels that the game is very close, but Daniel_the_smith seems to think that he's in trouble.


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[go]$$Bcm49 No Prisoners
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 2 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . O X . 0 X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . 3 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 6 4 5 . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . 8 . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Although black spent 92% of playouts on the jump, there was significant variance in white's response:

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[go]$$Bcm41 No Prisoners
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . b . . a . . . . |
$$ | . . . c . O . X . . O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . d . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . e . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


a - 64%
b - 16%
c - 12%
d - 4%
e - 3%


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Post #69 Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 4:25 am 
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i had doubts already by the move 46, but now it looks clear - wouldn't have K17 been better?

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[go]$$Bcm41 Diagram 69-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . W . X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

it preserves possible underconnection with F17 (though sansan should be preferable to that) and it doesn't induce black to strengthen his group on the right

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Post #70 Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 3:26 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm41 No Prisoners
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 0 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Laman's move was probably better, I forgot that it enabled a connection.

This group is really unhealthy, let's try to fix that... The other stone can take care of itself.

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[go]$$Bcm51 No Prisoners
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . 1 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Value: 50.0% exactly!

Sequence:

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[go]$$Bcm51 No Prisoners
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 6 . 4 5 . 2 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 9 . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . 1 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 8 . O . 0 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Kind of a crazy sequence.

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[go]$$Bcm51 No Prisoners
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Another good move from the machine. I am not doing great here. But it's not over yet.

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[go]$$Bcm51 No Prisoners
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . 3 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Value: 50.1%

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[go]$$Bcm51 No Prisoners
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . a . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . b . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . c . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


a - 64%
b - 20%
c - 5%

There were a lot of interesting ideas about white's response:

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[go]$$Bcm51 No Prisoners
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . c e . O . X . . O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . d . X . . . . . . . . b . . |
$$ | . . . . . . a . . O . X . . 3 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


a - 24%
b - 23%
c - 18%
d - 17%
e - 6%

Personally I like the jump at d the best, it's my first instinct in this situation. But I can understand the appeal of sacrificing F17 for thickness. I feel glad that Fuego searched so widely at this important decision, instead of assuming a single move like it does sometimes.

Sequence:
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[go]$$Bcm53 No Prisoners
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 7 O 5 X . . O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . 3 4 . . O . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 2 . . O . X . . 1 . 9 0 . |
$$ | . . 6 . 8 . . O . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Questions: Is there a serious risk to white's stones on the right side (i.e. R15)? Can white mount an attack against the two black stones on the left?

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Post #74 Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 2:36 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm51 No Prisoners
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . 4 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think the consequences are dire if I don't answer this one. :sad:

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[go]$$Bcm51 No Prisoners
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . 5 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Value: 50.6%

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[go]$$Bcm55 No Prisoners
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 0 . . 4 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 3 . . . O . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . 1 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . 2 . 5 . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . 6 . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 9 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . 8 7 . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


top three choices:
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[go]$$Bcm51 No Prisoners
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . c . . O . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . 4 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . a . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . b . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


a - 59%
b - 20%
c - 5%

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soon as i saw this move...i said "NO!!"
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[go]$$Bcm51 No Prisoners
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . 4 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


answering is correct but white have to answer as below.
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[go]$$Bcm51 No Prisoners
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . X 4 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #77 Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 8:47 am 
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magicwand and obs:
Can you please write, why w54 was incorrect?

I liked whites answer (from a 3kyu perspective) because it gets access to destroy the black center and reinforces the corner. Actually, I would have played at the submissive spot fuego considered (R15), lacking any good ideas. So I was sure that the winning chance prophecy by fuego would drop after the actual game move w54. I was wrong again. Enlightenment highly appreciated.

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Post #78 Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 9:02 am 
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magicwand and obs:
Can you please write, why w54 was incorrect?

I liked whites answer (from a 3kyu perspective) because it gets access to destroy the black center and reinforces the corner. Actually, I would have played at the submissive spot fuego considered (R15), lacking any good ideas. So I was sure that the winning chance prophecy by fuego would drop after the actual game move w54. I was wrong again. Enlightenment highly appreciated.


this is better than actual game.
but it is wrong because black can tenuki and white can not do too much damage on black.
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[go]$$Bcm51 No Prisoners
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . 4 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . 3 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


if black tenuki from :w4: below then :w6: will make that :b3: into useless stone.
which means black is more likely to answer and you secure your corner in sente.
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[go]$$Bcm51 No Prisoners
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . 3 4 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . 6 . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


i didnt do much reading but i can sense that corner can be invaded too easily.
that is why :w4: is wrong.
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[go]$$Bcm51 No Prisoners
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . b . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . a . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . 3 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . 4 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #79 Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 12:36 pm 
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I had the same reaction as MagicWand -- the marked W move leaves the corner too thin; B has too many invasion points. If W tries to block all incursions, he gets into trouble fast:
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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 3 . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . O X . . X O . 7 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . 6 5 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . X . . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . W 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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Post #80 Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:26 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm51 No Prisoners
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . 6 . . O . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . . . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . X . O O . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . X . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Hm, I think black picked the wrong area. The right could get large, but if I stabilize all my stones here, I'll be able to deal with it just fine.

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