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Offline DJLLAP
 Post subject: Re: #179 - DJLLAP vs opex
Post #61 Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 3:18 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm32 Captures: b - 1, w - 6.
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$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X 2 . . . . . . . . . . X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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 Post subject: Re: #179 - DJLLAP vs opex
Post #62 Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:17 am 
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Going on with the joseki
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[go]$$Wcm34 Captures: b - 1, w - 6.
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$$ | . . . . O 1 . . . . . . . . . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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 Post subject: Re: #179 - DJLLAP vs opex
Post #63 Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 11:46 am 
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[go]$$Wcm34 Captures: b - 1, w - 6.
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$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X 2 . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



The only move.
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Offline opex
 Post subject: Re: #179 - DJLLAP vs opex
Post #64 Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 10:55 am 
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The joseki recommends this move. Let's see what it will lead to
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[go]$$Wcm36 Captures: b - 1, w - 6.
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$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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 Post subject: Re: #179 - DJLLAP vs opex
Post #65 Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 12:45 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm36 Captures: b - 1, w - 6.
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$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , 2 . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]




All of these moves were considered by me. Something Like "a" is attractive because it makes an effort to strengthen blacks three lone stones. "b" would invoke a white move at e9 making a good relationship with the top left corner. Since my attack on white's e5 group is less than severe at the moment, I think it best to save this possibility for later. "e" makes moyo on the top, but seems too slow to me. The question is a, c, or d.

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[go]$$Wcm36 Captures: b - 1, w - 6.
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$$ | . . . . . d . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
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$$ | . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . e . X . . |
$$ | . . . . b . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , a . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]




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 Post subject: Re: #179 - DJLLAP vs opex
Post #66 Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 10:43 am 
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[go]$$Wcm38 Captures: b - 1, w - 6.
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$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #67 Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 11:01 am 
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[go]$$Wcm38 Captures: b - 1, w - 6.
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . X . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I first thought to the invasion at the 3-3 point. If W blocks at "a", then I can't attack the bottom as effectively. If he responds locally, I will play something around "b". I haven't decided where yet. The theory is to split the left side without encouraging W to secure the corner.

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[go]$$Wcm38 Captures: b - 1, w - 6.
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$$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . a O . . . . . O . . . . . , X . . |
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$$ | . . . b . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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 Post subject: Re: #179 - DJLLAP vs opex
Post #68 Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 11:36 am 
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Maybe i should place some stone on the left side. But i don't mind his invasion there. So i'll leave that area open for now, and choose more interesting move for me.
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[go]$$Wcm40 Captures: b - 1, w - 6.
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #69 Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 12:40 pm 
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I feel like white's last move is asking black to come invade on the left, where white could have closed the corner and practically declared the game over. Am I mistaken?
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Post #70 Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 7:33 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm40 Captures: b - 1, w - 6.
$$ ---------------------------------------
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . . . , X . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



This is a powerful move. I wish I could have beaten him here.



Attachments:
djllapvsopex 37.sgf [1.89 KiB]
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Post #71 Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 9:34 pm 
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DJLLAP,
DJLLAP wrote:
If W blocks at "a", then I can't attack the bottom as effectively.
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[go]$$Wm38
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$$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . a O . . . . . O . . . . . , X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
DJLLAP, which "bottom" are you referring to? Where exactly?
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Post #72 Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:55 am 
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[go]$$Wcm42 Captures: b - 1, w - 6.
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . . . , X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . 1 , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . . . . O . . . |
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Post #73 Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 6:36 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm42 Captures: b - 1, w - 6.
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[go]$$Wcm42 Captures: b - 1, w - 6.
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



@edlee
Looking back at that comment I am not really sure what I meant. I think the bottom group refers to the four stone wall in the bottom left. I don't know how White's blocking choice could effect an attack on those stones. I either didnt record my thought clearly, or was thinking something stupid.
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Post #74 Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 2:16 am 
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This move is a must.
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[go]$$Wcm44 Captures: b - 1, w - 6.
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$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #75 Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 12:29 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm44 Captures: b - 1, w - 6.
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #76 Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 12:21 pm 
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Simple extension gives black an easy way out. So i want to be more aggressive
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[go]$$Wcm46 Captures: b - 1, w - 6.
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$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Wcm46 Captures: b - 1, w - 6.
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$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . . . . O . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #78 Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 9:44 am 
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Sorry, i don't have much time now, so the replies have become less frequent.

Pressing him. Cuts don't seem to work, so I don't defend yet.
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[go]$$Wcm48 Captures: b - 1, w - 6.
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Sorry about the long delay.



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[go]$$Wcm48 Captures: b - 1, w - 6.
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



At first I considered crawling down one space, but fortunately, I saw the possibility of a Knights move at "a" that would cut me off from help. If W plays at b, I will sacrifice my stones and play "c" then "d" which s sente, so I get to lean on W at "e". If White "c" then obviously B will play "b". All the lines I read seem to be safe for B.




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[go]$$Wcm48 Captures: b - 1, w - 6.
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . e . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . d c b . . O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . a . . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #80 Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 12:46 pm 
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I was torn between o4 cut and o7 peep. The cut might lead to
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[go]$$Wcm50 Captures: b - 1, w - 6.
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . 6 X . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . 5 4 3 O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . 7 1 2 O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

where i lose the central influence. So i chose the peep threatening to get a huge right side.
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[go]$$Wcm50 Captures: b - 1, w - 6.
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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