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 Post subject: Re: 87: ketchup (3k) vs. Kayres (2k)
Post #81 Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 11:02 pm 
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As I said, it feels like my opponent really wants EVERYTHING. I just want to play the most simple moves, so I could gain sente from it when I can. Like now I can play away to here. I do not think I am strong enough though to make this successful. Maybe resign sequence soon. Next is the crazy stuff I think. I will definitely try my best to disrupt the bottom. I'm a bit disappointed that I can't read well enough to feel out/ choose a different move here. I feel like I am NOT taking full advantage of the aji at Q3. The biggest problem I have is, how to take advantage of that while still holding on to it for more later! I feel like anything I play will just ruin the full potential it has :(

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 Post subject: Re: 87: ketchup (3k) vs. Kayres (2k)
Post #82 Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:59 am 
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My issue with white's move is that it's sort of just floating there and seems open to attack. Maybe a move like this would work to build while reducing?

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 Post subject: Re: 87: ketchup (3k) vs. Kayres (2k)
Post #83 Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 4:23 am 
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Hmm yeah, looks like a normal move here. He has to play something like this and I am sure noone feels comfortable playing such moves. This shows I have an advantage atm. Now he has one thing in mind
- connecting his last stone with another group

But with which one?

connecting with a will prove tough for him because of :bs: . I won't let him connect that easyily. route b? also really tough. I will keep them separated no matter what. It's an impossible task for him. Taking routes c or d seem most rational.

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Now my task is actually to try to chase his new "group" while making profit. I will not try to kill it. This is my plan:

Getting thick in center facing the left side and thickness facing the right side. I can get out :bt: then easily and put tremendous pressure on his right side group. Actually I think that either :wc: will die or his group on the right. And I don't think this is far-fetched. I would be satisfied though with what I just have mentioned. Thickness left and right, enclosing his right group.

So I have to make something like a road for him here. Built up along a and b. c will remain a big point for me.

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My next move will be attacking his right formation. I will see what he does next. Maybe he is going to go deeper into my moyo, but then I will try to build power while attacking his right group and then turn back to bottom.




So I was thinking about some moves here..:

a seemed to soft and felt like I was putting no pressure on :ws: . I think I need to since I don't want to be too deep in his formation while he can run out. I want to be ahead, so I need some distance.


bwas what I thought of previously, but a jump at f would leave me surprised. It would feel like some fish slided out of my grip although I had it in my hands already :)


cfeels most rational here. It fulfills my aim to keep the two groups separated and sets some pressure on his right group. But there are some good ways for him to fight and get some advantage with sabaki.

So I will play f myself. It looks extremely solid and feels a bit too soft for me, but I have promised myself to attack after this move. Now I am really strong and don't have to fear anything.


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Post #84 Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:16 pm 
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My issue with white's move is that it's sort of just floating there and seems open to attack. Maybe a move like this would work to build while reducing?

I definitely prefer yours. It makes as many points as it denies, so it looks quite effective. In the game, black will hurt white's frameworks while threatening to eat the reduction whole.

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Post #85 Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 2:40 pm 
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This seems like my best choice. Let's see how he attacks.

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Post #86 Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 2:08 pm 
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hmm alright, I really had to think a lot here. Basically what I looked at was what aji there is for him to exploit and for me to be careful with. And it seems that when I start a really dirty fight, there are some things he could do. So I decided to keep it simple, stay souvereign and be patient.


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So these are the moves I thought about deeper.

a seemed a bit soft but I kind of like it. If he dares to block, I will play around e, which is the vital point on the bottom in my opinion.

If he, however, plays e without responding to a, I will push comfortably e.

Then, of course, there is another group I can put pressure on. I thought about b and c here, c being my favourite because b again seems to force him to run desperately, which would make the game complicated and set up a dirty fight.

d is obviously a move to take away his eyeshape. I think this move is crucial but it does not seem to be the right time now.

aji I need to be aware of is at w and y. Maybe he will be able to live with a forcing move like w, but I will see. I don't think there is anything at y though, but this could change in the future.


Summed up I think I am ahead comfortably and have huge potential, while he has to be careful now. My fear is that I will be too soft on him and he succedes to live both on the right side and on bottom. But I don't know how to attack here better :/.


I feel that in a game on a server I would've decided to do something very fast. But here it seems I can think about this so much, that I don't know what to do in the end.


Question for observers.. do you think my last two moves were too soft, including this one? I am only talking about the past, so maybe this information won't change much of the game. But only to be sure, you can also answer and hide it ;)


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Post #87 Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 4:22 pm 
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This has to be the right time to use this peep. The basic idea is limiting his bottom points and strengthening my own group. I think I might be strengthening his own group too, but I do not see much harm for it here. I find the idea again, of asking him to trade here interesting. This move comes too easily to me, so I'm a bit hesitant again to play it, but playing fearfully seems like a huge waste. I enjoy the shapes that might occur from this move as well.


Going to choose this,

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or this:

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[go]$$cm41 Captures: B:1 W:0 Move 48
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$$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
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$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I prefer the first one. Overall, it just has more interesting shape options. I do not believe I can play this move without first having that stone on the right side(move 48). I might be misreading, but I think he gives up too much to allow me to live in the corner(or even just get that push into it). I just do not believe he will be comfortable at all with it. It's also not a guaranteed kill for him of that middle group if he chooses the exchange, which is why I do not believe he will do so. I believe there's some funny aji around "a" in the first diagram. Lastly, I think either of my two options are good. I'm sure there are many more open too! I just will see how he responds to this first. I assume I'll most likely take the first choice.

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Post #88 Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 4:59 pm 
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[go]$$c Captures: B:1 W:0 Move 49
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$$ | . . X X . . X . . . . . O B . O . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



Connect. What else? ;)

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Post #89 Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 5:34 pm 
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$$ | . . O X X O X . . . . O . . . O O X . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . O . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . X 0 . . . . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Again, I do not believe he can cap me that easily, I really want to try this.

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Post #90 Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:45 am 
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vital poooint :lol: . What he did is not enough to live at all, his group will be running. Then he will have two groups running. I need to be careful and that's all.


I don't see anything that he can do against a. His last peep was not good at all, in my opinion. It was straight aji-keshi. And it did not help him a lot. So I will go with a now. It seems best. He has some options to fail :D

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[go]$$c Captures: B:1 W:0 Move 51
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . O . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . X O . . a . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



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[go]$$c Captures: B:1 W:0 Move 51
$$ ---------------------------------------
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$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . . . O . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . O . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . X O . . B . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #91 Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:31 pm 
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I think white has gotten far too heavy in the past few moves while burning aji. For example:
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[go]$$c Captures: B:1 W:0 Move 47
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$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . . . O . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . 8 . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . O . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This might be better.

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Post #92 Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:35 pm 
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[go]$$cm51 Captures: B:1 W:0 Move 52
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$$ | . . O X X O X . . . . O . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . O . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . X O . . X . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So, I really want to make use of the aji at f5. It is pretty interesting. I know I should be stronger before taking this attack. The problem comes in with my next move. How do I reinforce without revealing the aji? I know he'll become suspicious after something like this:

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[go]$$cm51 Captures: B:1 W:0 Move 52
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$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . . . O . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . 2 . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . C . . . O . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . O . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . X O . . X . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It just screams out that he should defend. I think it's too easy on black to let him fix his aji with something like the marked move here.

It is a dangerous game I am playing. I know it's already very difficult for me, but I believe this is the best point of attack for white. Again, I really dislike the idea of ruining my own aji, so it could be a mistake by me. I enjoy playing in this way though. I think it may lead to a bit of fighting, so the more I force myself to read, the better it is.

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Post #93 Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 7:48 pm 
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To Ketchup:
If you know a move is bad... maybe you shouldn't play it. To be me it heavily seems like you are letting your feelings and how you wish the game to turn out cloud your rational judgement. Sometimes you have to make a certain move no matter how much you dislike its "feeling".

TBH, when I look at most of the thinking behind your moves, the first instinct I get is that White doesn't deserve to win.

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Post #94 Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 9:03 pm 
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Aphelion wrote:
To Ketchup:
If you know a move is bad... maybe you shouldn't play it. To be me it heavily seems like you are letting your feelings and how you wish the game to turn out cloud your rational judgement. Sometimes you have to make a certain move no matter how much you dislike its "feeling".

TBH, when I look at most of the thinking behind your moves, the first instinct I get is that White doesn't deserve to win.



To Aphelion:
It's not that I know a move is bad or not. I do not know that at all. I do not believe I read well enough to say one way or the other. Maybe you misunderstand me when I say I'm hesitant. It's not the moves that's bad, it's that I feel I am unable to support these moves because of my lackluster reading. It's really difficult to tell the majority of the times when a move is aji-keshi or if it is the proper timing for it.

For the most part, I feel the moves I make stem from wanting to play for more than one goal. I dislike moves that seem to just do one thing at one time. I want to try and reach for more. This is the main goal for a lot of my moves. The moves themselves might be mistakes, but the goal is definitely that. This is why you see some of the moves I've made. I read things out to the best of my abilities as well. It's not that I take it lightly. I try over and over to read it out as best as I can.

Honestly, I'm not too sure I understand why you think white does not deserve to win. I hope once the game is over, you show me moves you thought were overplays(because that's what I'm assuming you think they are, to say such a thing as "white doesn't deserve to win"). In a game like Go, those words are so negative. I do not think this this game is a masterpiece. Obviously not. There's a lot of mistakes I've made, but I thought that was part of the point.

Lastly, I choose to play this way on purpose. It's not like I do not know the consequences of my decisions in the game. I just find some of these decisions more interesting than others. So why not play that way? I'm bound to learn more things in this manner because it pushes me out of what I feel comfortable with. It's not EASY at all to play like this.

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Post #95 Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 5:55 am 
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.. I don't understand :( What is he aiming for? All I can think of is getting some sente plays on the bottom to settle his group there. But it does not seem to work at all.. What I think is the following:


Actually I expected him to play :w4: right away, instead of his last actual move.

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[go]$$Bc Captures: B:1 W:0 Move 53
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$$ | . . O X X O X . . . . O . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . O . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . X O . . X 4 O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O 1 2 . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The last diagram is not working because I can simply ignore :w2: . If he connects under, the I can reply. This way I can get a very valuable center move to have the upper hand in an ensuing fight.


This way there is nothing he can be proud of?:

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[go]$$Bc Captures: B:1 W:0 Move 53
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$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . . . O . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . O . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . 5 X O . . X . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O 1 2 . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



So I am not sure what he wants.. This seems to be a bad exchange. Sometimes if you change the sequence in which moves are played, you get to see the bad moves. This would be an example of this:

It looks like a yose move at best. But actually if you read deeper a looks quite dangerous for me if I ignore him to connect under. I will think about ignoring this when I know he wants that.

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[go]$$Wc Captures: B:1 W:0 Move 53
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$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . . . O . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . O . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . a X O . . X . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 3 2 1 . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]




However this is again a move I did not expect. It is a move where I only can play one move in response. So why would he play it? It's so absolute.

And I had also expected something like this:

Why not this way? I just don't understand. Like in the beginning, he played another move that would feel weird to me. But I don't want to judge it actually. I am sure he has got a plan, otherwise he would not play this.

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[go]$$Wc Captures: B:1 W:0 Move 53
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$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . . . O . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X 3 O . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . 4 X O . . X . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 2 1 5 . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


You would expect me to maybe be scared because I simply don't know what he is aiming at, but when I look onto the board, I am so comfortable, I could even pass once and the game would still be playable for me. There is zero pressure I feel.


However I hope you answered to my last question, maybe you have hidden it so I can read it after the game, but could you please give me some feedback at least? I haven't had any since like 40 moves. Do you think it's ok what I show as variations? Do I write too much? Am I too theoretical? You can also say hi like Magicwand said but that would at least tell me that you are reading my thoughts. I don't write this down primarily for me ;)


So my next move is clear, any other move would be too bad.



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[go]$$c Captures: B:1 W:0 Move 53
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$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . . . O . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . O . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . X O . . X . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O B . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #96 Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 4:53 pm 
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[go]$$cm51 Captures: B:1 W:0 Move 54
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$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . . . O . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X 4 O . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . X O . . X . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I do not know the correct move for black in response to my 52. I anticipate a fight, which seems fun to me. This cut has been my goal since I played h3(to vaguely make use of the aji there). It might turn out hard for me, but it seems fun. OR in the end, I misread something and just failed~

Let's see where it leads.

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Post #97 Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 6:09 pm 
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I do appreciate that ketchup is sharing his feelings about the game, but I find his reluctance to show his reading a bit annoying.

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[go]$$
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$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . . . O . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 9 X O 5 X . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O 7 3 2 4 . . . O . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . 8 O 6 X O O . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . 1 X O . . X . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Is this his plan?
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[go]$$W
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$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . . . O . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O 1 . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X X . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . . . O . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O O O X O O . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . X X 2 X X O . . X . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #98 Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 6:07 am 
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Ok, since you seem not to be interested in what I write, I will skip further comments -.- But seriously, where's the point for me to continue playing this game :scratch:


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$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . . . O . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . B X O . . X . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #99 Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 2:33 pm 
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On second thought, I'll just resign here. Thank you for the game. Malkovich games are too tough for me!

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$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . . . O . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . 6 . . . . O . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X X O . . X . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think I misread here. On my initial read, I did not realize that black's move would atari me, and I'd be left with little choice:

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[go]$$Wcm56 Captures: B:1 W:0 Move 56
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$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . . . O . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O 4 X . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O 6 2 1 3 . . . O . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O 5 X O O . . . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X X O . . X . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


In that case, I will just take c6, then tenuki to my right group. I guess you can call it a reboot. I think my bottom group is not so weak that it will die. This way also, I will have only one running group.

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[go]$$Wcm56 Captures: B:1 W:0 Move 56
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . . . O . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . |
$$ | . 5 . O 4 X . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . 2 1 3 . . . O . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O 6 X O O . . . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X X O . . X . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I do not believe he has much profit in trying to attack that group now.

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Post #100 Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:20 pm 
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[go]$$c Captures: B:1 W:0 Move 57
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . . . O . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . , O O . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . B O . . . . O . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X X O . . X . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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