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 Post subject: Re: 112. joppon v Marcus
Post #81 Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 12:16 pm 
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Ok, the plan is:

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Let's see where this goes ...

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Post #82 Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 12:50 pm 
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Post #83 Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 1:14 pm 
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Now to see what my opponent does ...

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Post #84 Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 6:18 am 
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Or...
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Post #85 Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 8:03 am 
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And so it goes ... my weak group at E12 should be looking tasty to him by now ... when will he start to attack it?

I think I let this game slip away from me in terms of control ... I'll have to take the next opportunity I find to get the control back.

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Post #86 Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 10:43 am 
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Post #87 Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 2:06 pm 
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No choice ... now, what's his next plan? He's forced me to make that group safe ... he should attack my other weak group now.

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Post #88 Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 2:21 pm 
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W2 seems difficult to answer. Or perhaps white will tennuki with 'a'. Who knows? I have no idea what's likely.
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . X X O O O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . X O , . . O O . X O . . |
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Post #90 Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 2:26 pm 
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This has been bugging me for a little while. I finally get to strengthen this group a bit ... let's leave my other stone where it is for now.

I got myself into a bit of trouble, I think.

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Post #91 Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 3:39 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . X X O O O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . X O , . . O O . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . O . . O O X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X O . X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strange move. First I thought it aimed at the push 'a' and cut, but black has the ladder. Then I thought about the tennuki at 'b', but that leaves white with a massive wall on the left side (with B crawling painfully to make life) and the capture of the :bc: stones. As it is W66 results in my strengthening my position, not only locally but globally as well. It also increases my potential territory. If white responds directly, as - I believe - he should do I'll take 'b'. Though I guess it depends on how direct the response.
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . X X O O O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . X O , . . O O . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . O . . O O X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X O . X a X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . B B B O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . b . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #92 Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 3:58 am 
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I think 'a' and 'b' are miai.
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . X X O O O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . X O , . . O O . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . O . . O O X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X O . X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . a , . . . . . b . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #93 Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 5:09 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . X X O O O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . X O , . . O O . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . O . . O O X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X O . X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . 8 . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Now that my group isn't easily squeezed, I'll move over to the largest part of the board.

Why low? Well, there's very little development space towards the bottom left due to his shimari. At some point, he'll likely jump into my 3-5 corner. I should be able to lean on him a bit and build a wall ... and K3 seems to be a nice place for a long extension, and Black can't undercut me as easily as if I had played K4.

Of course, I might want to pincer any approach to my 3-5 ... it all depends on my global understanding of the position, I guess. As I've mentioned in my Study Journal, however ... my strategizing always seems to suck ... here goes nothing! :D

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Post #94 Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 7:47 am 
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...

Why low? Well, there's very little development space towards the bottom left due to his shimari. At some point, he'll likely jump into my 3-5 corner. I should be able to lean on him a bit and build a wall ... and K3 seems to be a nice place for a long extension, and Black can't undercut me as easily as if I had played K4.

...


i would prefer playing high, because limiting black influence spreading all over the right-center is worth more than securing a bit more points on the lower side. this way black can happily press white down and build a really big moyo. though i admit that it also depends on what will happen with R11-R10 stones, where white can possibly break into black influence

black's overall position looks better to me

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Post #95 Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 1:58 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . X X O O O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . X O , . . O O . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . O . . O O X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X O . X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . 9 . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . O . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This is difficult for me. If 'a' and 'b' are miai, then I guess I should respond to W68 at somewhere like 'c'? But my instinct - or my style - tells me to attack W68 with something like 'a'.
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . X X O O O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . X O , . . O O . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . O . . O O X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X O . X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . c . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . b , . . . . . a . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . 8 . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Diag 2
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . X X O O O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . X O , . . O O . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . O . . O O X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X O . X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . , . 3 . . . . 1 . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . O . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Oooh, very pretty! :)

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Post #96 Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 8:53 am 
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I kind of prefer something simple:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . X X O O O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . X O , . . O O . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . O . . O O X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X O . X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . B , . . . . . . . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . O . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #97 Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:56 am 
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Sorry! Been sick.

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . X X O O O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . X O , . . O O . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . O . . O O X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X O . X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 0 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . O . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Yeah, yeah, ignoring the contact play ... got a few ideas, a few things to try out ...

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Post #98 Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 2:55 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . X X O O O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . X O , . . O O . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . O . . O O X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X O . X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , 1 . . . . X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . O . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


All other options in that area seem no good. Which means that my instincts are good. :) Perhaps I'll soon reach 2D. ;-) I think that my influence is almost overwhelming, and if I were to further add to it the game would be very difficult for white. Even more so than it's going to be. Since at some point, white will have to step into the centre. At which point I will attempt to kill everything that white has there. However, since white already has 2 of the 4 corners I feel almost obliged (for reasons of balance) to at least make him work to take the third.

Assuming white fights for the corner...
Diag 1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . X X O O O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . X O , . . O O . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . O . . O O X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X O . X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 7 2 1 . . . . X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . 4 3 O 0 . . . O . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . 6 5 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Diag 2a
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . X X O O O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . X O , . . O O . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . O . . O O X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X O . X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 8 2 1 . . . . X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . 4 3 O 9 . . . O . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . 6 5 0 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Diag 2b. Weakness at 'a'.
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . X X O O O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . X O , . . O O . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . O . . O O X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X O . X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X a . . . X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O X O X . . . O . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Diag 2b var
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . X X O O O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . X O , . . O O . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . O . . O O X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X O . X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . O O X . . . . X . . . . . , X . . |
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$$ | . . O X O 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Diag 3. No good for my plans, even if black lives.
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . X X O O O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . X O , . . O O . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . O . . O O X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X O . X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 6 . 9 0 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 4 1 3 8 . . . X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . 5 2 O . . . . O . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Diag 3 var. No good for black.
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[go]$$Bcm01 Prisoner Count: :b1: :white:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . X X O O O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . X O , . . O O . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . O O . . O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . O . . O O X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X O . X . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 8 4 1 3 0 . . . X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . 7 2 O 9 . . . O . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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 Post subject: Re: 112. joppon v Marcus
Post #99 Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:35 am 
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Maybe I'm too weak to know what I'm talking about. But if two contact plays were not urgent enough to follow up on on either side, should it have been played at all? White seems to be saying that Black's last two plays were not sente, and Black seems to be agreeing with him.

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Aphelion,
Yes, naturally B wants to hane :b1: since W tenuki:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . 1 O . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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