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Offline Laman
 Post subject: Re: Game #119--Puppycake vs. Parliament
Post #81 Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 11:54 am 
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Puppycakes: your last hidden diagram is broken

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Offline parliament
 Post subject: Re: Game #119--Puppycake vs. Parliament
Post #82 Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 3:15 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm59 In the lids: B- :w1: W- :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , O . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Connection is expected. If he plays atari I'll gladly nobi and Black must connect anyway. I'll probably then nobi, be pushed by Black for one more step, and then the question I'll probably be asking Black is: how will you attack me on the bottom? How will you make points?
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[go]$$Wcm59 In the lids: B- :w1: W- :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , O . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O 3 5 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 2 X 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . b . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . a . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I will play at a) to most answers. If Black a), b) looks interesting to keep Black busy. This isn't truly great for me, but as I've said, I'm happy to resist this way rather than give Black a huge left and me a small bottom.
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Offline Puppycakes
 Post subject: Re: Game #119--Puppycake vs. Parliament
Post #83 Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 6:33 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm60 In the lids: B- :w1: W- :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , O . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So, he protects his cutting point. This is a good point for either of us to have, so I'm taking it.
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Offline parliament
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Post #84 Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 6:38 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm60 In the lids: B- :w1: W- :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , O 2 . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm a little bit surprised by Black's choice. My reply here is forced, of course.
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Offline Puppycakes
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Post #85 Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 6:46 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm61 In the lids: B- :w1: W- :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , O O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 2 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I obviously have to protect that cut. His move goes a long way to erase the aji of my cut, but honestly, I'm not sure that I'd say that he's solved all of his problems there. He'll probably cut me now. This has been an interesting fight.
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Offline parliament
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Post #86 Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 5:12 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm61 In the lids: B- :w1: W- :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , O O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It's a bit too painful to let Black cover:
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[go]$$Wcm61 In the lids: B- :w1: W- :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O a O O 4 . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . 3 . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Black resources like a) put pressure on my eyespace. It's hard to cut back.

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[go]$$Wcm61 In the lids: B- :w1: W- :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O b a . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O c O O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Just jumping is a bit tepid. Black will attack me on the bottom somehow and moves like a) and b) will work with c) still to pressure my eyespace. I can't really attack Black's group on top.

So I will go ahead and follow orders. I will cut:

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[go]$$Wcm61 In the lids: B- :w1: W- :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , O O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X 3 5 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . 6 . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


However, I will probably not capture the cutting stone if Black gives atari from below. I will reinforce on the bottom and fight in the center.

It's not easy choosing to reinforce the top group, because the bottom is ultimately weaker, but playing this way keeps my possibilities open.
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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: Game #119--Puppycake vs. Parliament
Post #87 Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 7:19 am 
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for obs only:
the cut was an overplay and can be punished by playing as below.
you can not fight if there is a weak stone around.
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[go]$$Wcm61 In the lids: B- W-
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , O O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Puppycakes
 Post subject: Re: Game #119--Puppycake vs. Parliament
Post #88 Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 6:31 pm 
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My dad died on Thursday. I'm going to keep playing, but it may be highly irregular. Still, go can be relaxing for me, so I think it's good for me to keep playing.

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[go]$$Wcm61 In the lids: B- :w1: W- :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , O O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



There are, of course, two moves to consider. a and b:
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[go]$$Wcm61 In the lids: B- :w1: W- :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , O O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O a b . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Really, what it depends upon is whether b is a valuable point for white to occupy. I don't think it is. And, in fact, I think it would be a thank you move. It would help white, so instead, I decided to play a. My cutting stone has some aji and He'll want to kill it, but I don't think he has time to just yet.
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Offline Marcus
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Post #89 Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 6:41 pm 
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My condolences to you, Puppycakes.

I'm not your opponent, but I'd say take the time you need, and play when you can. I'm sure your opponent understands.
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Offline parliament
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Post #90 Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 9:31 pm 
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Marcus wrote:
My condolences to you, Puppycakes.

I'm not your opponent, but I'd say take the time you need, and play when you can. I'm sure your opponent understands.


I am your opponent, and would say roughly the same thing. Go in the first place is meant to be a passtime, not an obligation. It's good if you still see benefit in playing, but of course feel free to take this game as lightly as you wish.

The Internet has made possible some very specialized modes of social interaction, such as this webforum. I'm not really familiar with the gravity of your father's death, but I hope that you and your family are well.
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Offline Puppycakes
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Post #91 Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2011 10:18 pm 
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parliament wrote:
Marcus wrote:
My condolences to you, Puppycakes.

I'm not your opponent, but I'd say take the time you need, and play when you can. I'm sure your opponent understands.


I am your opponent, and would say roughly the same thing. Go in the first place is meant to be a passtime, not an obligation. It's good if you still see benefit in playing, but of course feel free to take this game as lightly as you wish.

The Internet has made possible some very specialized modes of social interaction, such as this webforum. I'm not really familiar with the gravity of your father's death, but I hope that you and your family are well.

Thank you. I wasn't worried about you not understanding. I just wanted to let you know.

But I really have enjoyed the game. The day that my dad actually died, I ran into a friend at a coffee shop and played go. It felt very calming, so I was glad that go has that affect on my life. I've been enjoying this game very much and I hope to continue learning from it. But sometimes I might take awhile to reply, that's all.
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Offline EdLee
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Puppycakes, my condolences.
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Offline Tryphon
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EdLee wrote:
Puppycakes, my condolences.


The same from me.
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Offline parliament
 Post subject: Re: Game #119--Puppycake vs. Parliament
Post #94 Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 3:51 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm61 In the lids: B- :w1: W- :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , O O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . 5 . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This is much in line with some of my earlier (predictive) variations. It's the bottom group that needs help now. If I nobi instead, or (even worse) press, Black will use a knight's move or something to attack me on the bottom and quickly become strong that way. I won't be making territory in the process of defending, and I'll still have the cut. So why would I want to directly help the cutting stone, if the cutting is not immediately meaningful?

As to the particular move I chose, note a couple of things. First, it prepares fairly well to take territory if I get to block later. Second, it breaks the ladder. Third, playing loose and at a distance from Black makes it a bit less comfortable in this case for Black to play kikashi from above, which is the area that I'm most concerned about.
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Offline Puppycakes
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Post #95 Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 1:55 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm61 In the lids: B- W-
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , O O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


His move breaks the ladder and also strengthens his group. I definitely want to strengthen my nearby stones. Two moves pop out at me.

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[go]$$Wcm61 In the lids: B- W-
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , O O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O X b . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O c . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . a . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


a threatens to take a good amount of territory and to force him into bad shape. b threatens to capture the cutting stone in a net and if he stones that, I can come back and play a. I went with a directly because him getting it does a lot of good for him. My cutting stone still has a lot of aji after this anyway. And I think I'd prefer him not playing here and then I capture the cutting stone.

Not sure if it's right, but that's what I decided to go with.

I also considered the driving tesuji with c, but I don't think it gains me all that much.
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Offline parliament
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Post #96 Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 4:17 am 
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[go]$$Wcm61 In the lids: B- :w1: W- :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , O O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Now I guess I jump out and avoid being covered. There's little that I can do to attack the group right now. I'm still interested in moving those three stones in the center, which is part of why I'm avoiding the cover.
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Offline Puppycakes
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Post #97 Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 8:06 am 
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[go]$$Wcm61 In the lids: B- :w1: W- :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . 8 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , O O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I was kind of hoping that his jumping out would allow for me to naturally capture his cutting stones, so that's my feel for how to make my moves flow naturally. You know, I'm feeling kind of good about this game.

I also considered extending the newly formed black cutting stone, but decided that stone isn't so important at this point. I also think that the driving tesuji might have been interesting, but I feel that I have that and capturing one of the cutting stones as miai.
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Offline parliament
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Post #98 Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 12:18 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm61 In the lids: B- :w1: W- :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X 9 . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , O O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Seems like now is an interesting time to play kikashi. I'm feeling pretty interested in nobi to capture the cutting stone now, as it starts to make it possible to attack the black group, and is a solid defense for me. If Black avoids the fight by blocking on the bottom, allowing me to connect my three stones later, then I'll feel more comfortable with the defensive-looking nobi.
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Post #99 Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 1:17 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm61 In the lids: B- :w1: W- :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O 0 X . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , O O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Maybe because this allows him two peeps instead of just the one?
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Post #100 Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 10:35 pm 
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I'm bumping just this in case mr parliament didn't realize that I'd moved already.

Then, it's also possible that his life just got busy.
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