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 Post subject: Re: #186 - topazg vs. skydyr
Post #81 Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:06 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 . . . 1 . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . 2 X X X O 5 . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . 4 C O O O 6 . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I can now cut, so this connection doesn't worry me too much

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Post #82 Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:30 am 
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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 . . . 1 . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . 2 X X X O 5 . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . 4 . O O O 6 . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O 7 . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'm pretty sure this rescues the stones on the bottom left by creating a shortage of liberties for white.

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Post #83 Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:01 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 . . . 1 . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . 2 X X X O 5 . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . 4 . O O O 6 . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O 7 . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . 8 . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


That's an interesting and unexpected response. I however want sente so I can cut

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Post #84 Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:27 am 
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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 . . . 1 . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . 2 X X X O 5 . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . 4 . O O O 6 . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O 7 . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . 8 . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . 9 X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . 6 . 7 . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O X 4 5 . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O 2 X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . 1 X 3 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

W:
22 BL + ~28 R + 30 UL + 7 komi + 1 pris.= 88
B:
28 B + 28 C + 23 UR = 79

Black would need to make up about 10 points here... I think black can get that on the top side pretty easily. G18, L17, and R2 should do it. C17 is an option too, but I need to read more. Maybe this?

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 5 . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 6 . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . 3 2 O . O . . . X O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . 4 . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #85 Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:31 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 . . . 1 0 . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . 2 X X X O 5 . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . 4 . O O O 6 . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O 7 . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . 8 . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . 9 X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


And in we go. The last move was so Black couldn't do this:

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[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O 2 . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X 3 4 . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . 5 6 . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . 7 8 . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O 9 O X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


And I also have this later:


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[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . . . 8 . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . 2 3 . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O X 6 7 . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O 4 X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X 5 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Or something like it. The game's looking a bit better again.

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Post #86 Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:54 am 
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[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This looks to be 12 points in reverse sente.

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Post #87 Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:25 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O 2 . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I have a few good followups now, and the hane on the left side is probably the thing I want next.

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Post #88 Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:59 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X 3 . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O 2 . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Threat to cut strengthens these stones.

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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . 4 O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X 3 . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O 2 . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #90 Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 2:15 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . 4 O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X 3 . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O 2 . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . 5 . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Make some territory, reinforce the bottom connection, threaten to save the cutting stone.

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Post #91 Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 2:19 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . 4 O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X 3 . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O 2 . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . 6 . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . 5 . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Good choice of move by Black.

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Post #92 Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 2:33 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . 4 O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X 3 . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O 2 . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X . 7 . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . 6 . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . 5 . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I may as well peep.

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Post #93 Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 2:37 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . 4 O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X 3 . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O 2 . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X 8 7 . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . 6 . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . 5 . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #94 Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 2:45 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . 4 O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X 3 . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O 2 . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X 8 7 . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . 6 . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . 5 . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I think I can win without invading the corner, and all its diciness.

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Post #95 Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 2:53 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 0 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . 4 O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X 3 . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O 2 . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X 8 7 . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . 6 . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . 5 . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Mmm, I really want sente for that left side ...

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Post #96 Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 3:00 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . 1 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Trying to do all the big edge stuff in sente, instead of grabbing for extra points in gote.

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Post #97 Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 3:06 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . 1 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


That awful strategic decision and tactical placement of the reduction cost me from 10+ points ahead to about 5-10 points behind in the end - skydyr played it well. I need to pick some of my own big points now. I have a few tricks up my sleeve at least, we'll just have to see if it's enough.

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Post #98 Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 3:10 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . 1 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . 3 . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

The reason you want to play thick and solid is so your opponent doesn't have endgame moves like this one left to play against you.

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Post #99 Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 3:16 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . 1 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O 4 . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . 3 . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Aiming at some nice aji - my corner stone isn't useless yet:

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[go]$$Bcm81 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . 0 6 . 8 . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . X . . . . X 7 X 9 . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . 1 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O 4 . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . 3 . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #100 Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 3:38 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . 1 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O 4 . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . 3 . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . 5 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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