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Offline emerus
 Post subject: Re: #236 emerus vs Loons
Post #21 Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 3:05 am 
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 Post subject: Re: #236 emerus vs Loons
Post #22 Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 3:16 am 
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[go]$$cm21 Black: 0 , White: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
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I think white's moves are sente. I came close to saying "this decision isn't as straightforward..." but decided against it, especially considering my reading about the corner.

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 Post subject: Re: #236 emerus vs Loons
Post #23 Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 3:49 am 
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$$ | . . O . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think I'm taking advantage here. And it should end in sente.


Last edited by emerus on Sat Jun 14, 2014 3:49 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Post #24 Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 3:49 am 
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First feeling: :w18: seems terrible:

  • bumps head into wall;
  • forces broken shape on himself (Black);
  • reduces own libs;
  • makes a heavy group;
  • runs damaged stone/throws good money at bad;
  • bad shape/bad basics;
  • starts a new weak group when W already has :w6:

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Post #25 Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 3:57 am 
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Loons:
May I ask, Did you reject the double hane, and why ?

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Forced ?
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[go]$$B
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$$ | . . O . 1 W 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O 3 X O . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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 Post subject: Re: #236 emerus vs Loons
Post #27 Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 4:02 am 
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I'm sleeping on this one.
Considering I didn't read the H15/G14 exchange and missed the time to exchange C16/B15.

I wonder if I can exchange C16 now? Directly cutting at H16 seems tempting anyway. Presumably white has some sort of plan here. I guess emerus did successfully and specifically resist my intended knight's move.

Really, the worst case scenario if I C16 now is that white exchanges the whole of the left for a position facing the low back of my shimari.


I have been sniped by EdLee

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emerus wrote:
I think I'm taking advantage here.
I'm thinking the opposite.
Loons wrote:
I wonder if I can exchange C16 now?
I think B should save it; :b9: still has aji -- B still has other choices locally.
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EdLee wrote:
Loons:
May I ask, Did you reject the double hane, and why ?


Oh, yeah, I was going to talk about that. I wasn't satisfied here. Though now I lay it out so to speak it doesn't look so bad : But black will make no particular points on the top, white seems hard to attack, white can tenuki back to right.
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[go]$$Bcm21 Black: 0 , White: 0
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O . 6 , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O X X 3 X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 2 1 4 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . 7 . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]


Sniped by Ed again (but not relevant to me).

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 Post subject: Re: #236 emerus vs Loons
Post #30 Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 4:15 am 
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[go]$$cm21 Black: 0 , White: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
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$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 O . X O . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Or maybe I will move already.
Honestly I couldn't help myself, it's just such a pretty move. (Cue misread).

Edit:

Also cutting at H16 directly may be unsatisfactory.

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[go]$$cm21 What is black doing
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$$ | . . O . . 2 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O 5 7 . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O 3 4 , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Loons wrote:
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[go]$$Bm21
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O . 6 , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O X X 3 X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 2 1 4 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . 7 . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
Basics time:
I wonder if B can do better than :b27: above --
if W runs with :w2:, it's worse for W;
if W does not run, :b1: is better and stronger shape for B,
and one fewer lib for :wc: :
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[go]$$B
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X O . a . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 2 W X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . 3 . 1 X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]

About (a): to peep or not to peep, and when ?
Hmm, :b23: still feels ajikeshi to me.
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 Post subject: Re: #236 emerus vs Loons
Post #32 Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 4:51 am 
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[go]$$cm21 Black: 0 , White: 0
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$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 4 . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Ahh. I have blitzed through the real sequences and deeply read the un-played ones. In this case, I thought my corner was healthier. Him defending the cut in sente makes a world of difference.
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Loons' :w1: descend seems better than :w24: :
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[go]$$W
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . 1 O X X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |[/go]

The aji is quite different; Loons' :w1: descend has much better aji for W
than :wc: = :w24: . The small gain by :w24: doesn't seem to justify the bad aji.
We'll see if :w24: comes back to haunt W in the future --
could be a long wait.
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[go]$$B
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |[/go]
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Post #34 Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 2:58 pm 
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[go]$$cm21 Black: 0 , White: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . 5 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

So white's stones will have to settle without connecting.

Edit:

I'm in the somewhat awkward position of this cut being sente for me. I feel this impels me to play :b29: before revisiting the right. I'm not entirely comfortable with :w30: , however to play there first seems like subpar direction.
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[go]$$cm21 Black: 0 , White: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O 7 5 O 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 8 X O . X O . . . 9 . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X 0 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I guess the alternative is something like
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[go]$$cm29 Black: 0 , White: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . X O . . 2 . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Though white's play needs some work here.

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Loons wrote:
however to play there first seems like subpar direction.
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[go]$$m29
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . X O . . 2 . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |[/go]
Loon's :b29: turn in his above variation seems a very big and happy move for B.
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Post #36 Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 5:36 pm 
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Reflecting, this seems like the honest way to play : It should be painful that white allowed this (I should make another Hitchhiker's Guide reference since I'm using future past tense).

White's corner shrank a little and c13 became misplaced since my last assessment, though white's move was more solid than my suggestion.
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[go]$$cm29 Black: 0 , White: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . X O . . . 3 . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X O 2 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |[/go]

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[go]$$cm29 Black: 0 , White: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . X O . . . 5 . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O 4 2 , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X O 3 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |[/go]

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[go]$$cm29 Strong contender : Depends how severe my followup is later
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . X O . . . 2 . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X O . . 5 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |[/go]

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[go]$$cm29 Black is submissive
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . . . . . . . 4 5 . . . |
$$ | . O X O . X O . . . 6 . . 2 X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . , . . . . 3 , X . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |[/go]

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Post #37 Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 10:27 pm 
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[go]$$cm21 Black: 0 , White: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Initially, I expected to leave black unsettled while developing a position on top for myself. My misread costs me sente if I were to continue the local fight. So I'm just abandoning that area. This definitely puts white behind but it's nowhere near insurmountable.

Will expect some variations like my previous post except now black can find a better way to clean up the aji on top.
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Probably much better for W to have played :w26: directly here,
instead of the bad move :w18: and bad resulting sequence.

The four :white: stones there, starting with :w10: ... :scratch:
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This is shaping up to be a quite readable malkovitch from the both of you. Nice to see you back, Loons!

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Thanks, daal.
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[go]$$cm21 Black: 0 , White: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Surprises at every turn. I think the opening has been broadly good for me and emerus is trying to flip it on me somehow.

It's true I only have one stone on the bottom half of the board. I will answer.

Edit:
I'm going to call white trying to up the ante at every turn instead of follow my diagrams a victory. With that said I expect this, though :w30: 'a', :b31: @ :w30: feels like something I've seen. We both want sente to revisit top, though I will be content with compensation here if white tries to leave prematurely (again).
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[go]$$cm21 Black: 0 , White: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . a . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Edit 2:
Actually I normally dislike this joseki for black. I will study it a bit and change my mind : :b27: was at my liberty.

I am actually happy that emerus is spreading play out ; given I felt the opening's been broadly better for me, hastening the end shouldn't be bad for me. However, I must be careful not to become lax.

Final edit:
If you'll forgive my slightly neurotic re-editing, I'm come to some conclusions.

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[go]$$cm21 fig 1. White doesn't mind playing either 'b' later
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . 8 . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a b . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X b . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$cm21 fig 2. Black has 'a' or something around 'b' later.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . b . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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