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Offline EdLee
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Post #81 Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 9:25 pm 
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how to count prisoners in these diagrams?

Here's one convention:
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[go]$$Bm59 :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 1 3 4 6 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . 7 C X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O 2 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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Offline xoxo88
 Post subject: Re: #241 : xoxo88 vs Loons
Post #82 Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 11:06 am 
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Offline Loons
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Post #83 Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 5:29 pm 
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[go]$$Bm59 :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 1 3 4 6 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . 0 . . , . 7 C X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O 2 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

I think this move is clearly bigger, because cramping 71 seems bigger than reverse-sente-ing 69-70
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[go]$$Wcm68 :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 4 . . . X X X O O 3 . |
$$ | . . . , . . 1 . . , . X C X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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Offline Uberdude
 Post subject: Re: #241 : xoxo88 vs Loons
Post #84 Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 5:43 pm 
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White is dreaming if he thinks black should play 71. Coming into the top left is much bigger. Probably white should have secured that.
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Offline Loons
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Post #85 Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 9:47 pm 
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I assume Uberdude is pointing out that black would prefer eg. C17 to -1, 7. Noted.

My estimate puts black at about 51 points and white around forty on the board, though a lot of what I count for white is slightly imaginary. So I feel about five points down, maybe ten.

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Post #86 Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 11:44 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm69 :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . , . X . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


im wondering what happens here... as far i count i win the capturing race so white should give me the corner and have to live then. i will think about this a littlebit and let it open for now. the thing is, even if it works it might be gote and gives white the opportunity to play the huge B12. and i dont think he will play r18 himself in the near future. im pretty sure he knows that im ahead by a small amount so i estimate these kind of multipurpose moves like 68. if i still think it works after the left corner fighting ill come back.
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[go]$$Bcm69
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 X 4 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O 2 . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . , . X . X O X 1 3 . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O O . . 7 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O 5 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 6 . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


Last edited by xoxo88 on Sat Aug 23, 2014 12:37 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Offline xoxo88
 Post subject: Re: #241 : xoxo88 vs Loons
Post #87 Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 12:32 am 
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hmm i wonder if it wouldnt have been better to invade right away. now w may play c16 himself. i noticed that the trade b12, e8 helps me to invade his middle moyo :/ so many questions on this board. i guess if w plays defensive c16 now ill fight out the north east corner and see what happens to make some questionmarks go away.
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[go]$$Bcm69 :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . 1 . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . , . X . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . 3 . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
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 Post subject: Re: #241 : xoxo88 vs Loons
Post #88 Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 12:50 am 
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I wasn't expecting this. My first instinct is weird. Well, not weird considering I was thinking of the 3-3 invasion for black. My stones on the left still cover the centre a bit.
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[go]$$Bm69 :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . 2 , . . O . . , . X . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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Offline Uberdude
 Post subject: Re: #241 : xoxo88 vs Loons
Post #89 Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 2:42 am 
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If I write an empty hide tag will it prompt Loons to analyse more? :D
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Post #90 Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 12:37 pm 
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Uberdude wrote:
If I write an empty hide tag will it prompt Loons to analyse more? :D

I'm willing to bet yes. :)
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Post #91 Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 5:01 pm 
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I'm taking a while to move because I'm not exactly sure what's how big.

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[go]$$Bcm69 :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . h . . . g g . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . f , . . O . . , . X . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . a . . . . . d . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . e O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . c X X b . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

I really want to get the next move at 'a', but it's hard to count. What aji if any do I have around 'b'? How does or does not that affect 'c' (and what's the move there), which I'm pretty sure is just endgame. Also if I get 'a', what's 'd' like? What's 'd' like anyway? Do I need to consider playing it tough at 'e', and does that gain me anything?Just how big is 'f' open corner? After black or I get 'g'? What invasion aji is there at 'h' ? Black is insanely thick.

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Post #92 Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 3:06 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm69 :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . 2 , . . O . . , . X . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

In the end, this is both worth too many points and important in making the white stones thicker.

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Post #93 Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 10:17 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm69 :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . 2 , . . O . . , . X . X O X 3 . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


As far i see theres only one way to try escape catching. and its simply not working in the end...
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[go]$$Bcm69 :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 X 4 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . 2 , . . O . . , . X . X O X 3 5 . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O O . . 0 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O 7 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 8 . |
$$ | . 1 O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm79 :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O 7 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O 8 9 |
$$ | . . O , . . O . . , . X . X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O O 3 2 O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . 1 O X 4 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm89 :w1: :b2:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 O . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O O X |
$$ | . . O , . . O . . , . X . X O X X X 1 |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O O X O O 2 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


Last edited by xoxo88 on Sun Aug 24, 2014 10:55 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Offline xoxo88
 Post subject: Re: #241 : xoxo88 vs Loons
Post #94 Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 10:41 pm 
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this is something i should think about carefully in all its variations:
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[go]$$Wcm90
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 1 O . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O O X |
$$ | . . O , . . O . . , . X . X O X X X X |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O O X O O 6 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X O 8 O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 5 . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 7 . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . 9 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm90
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 1 O . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O O X |
$$ | . . O , . . O . . , . X . X O X X X X |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O O X O O 6 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X O 8 O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 5 . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 7 . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . 0 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
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Offline Loons
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Post #95 Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 3:15 am 
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Wild. Leaning towards this which feels safety conscious. Have to do some reading.
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[go]$$Bcm69 :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O 4 . |
$$ | . . 2 , . . O . . , . X . X O X 3 . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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Post #96 Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 3:17 am 
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hmm i have some troubles to get a solution with this:
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[go]$$Bcm69 :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 7 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O 5 . |
$$ | . . 2 , . . O . . , . X . X O X 3 4 . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O O . 6 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


w76 is a thread to activate q7 which is quite big. and since there is not really any potential for me in this direction ill end kinda in gote and white can play something around j14.


some explanations because this isnt easy to see:
there is no potential because i have to play very defensive with the potentially cut h3. as soon white gets a stone at k7 i cant catch the cutting stone anymore. on the other hand i need a stone which protects me from white extending q8. That are the options:

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[go]$$Bcm1 :w1: :b2:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . X . |
$$ | . . 2 , . . O . . , . X . X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . h . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . f d O . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . g , c . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . b . . . . a . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . e . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


anyway white is satisfied. if i play a: he will just jump to b and i have to play some ugly defending moves which make me look quite overconcentrated. if c, he says thanks, gets d and i have to defend again. the same counts for all attachments, be it on top or on bottom: i cant really put any pressure on his group so these moves are crap. very smart looking is e. it protects the extending of white a indirectly but he gets another move at f or g for free (i need to defend again) and then happily plays anything around h. the whole point is: w gets sente if i play 71 on the inside and lives still without problems and losing sente isnt worth these few points in the corner, so i should have simply played the corner from the outside sente push r18 and then any smart move on the left to remove abit potential from white. or just let it open for later when its big enough.
anybody disagreeing and want to defend my move? ^^
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Post #97 Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 4:13 am 
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as longer i look at this i come to the conclusion that i cannot give him sente here, i would abandon the right side to play on the top. this is just way too big to give it to white, besides im not totally lost after extending w q8. i still can play the attachment q11 and crawl out. should be okay aslong i have some stones on line 14 at this time...
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Post #98 Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 3:07 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm69 :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 4 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . 2 , . . O . . , . X . X O X 3 . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Well, that was a bit of a gross oversight. When black firmly captured [3,6] the situation in the corner changed. I shall at least threaten to keep the corner.

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Post #99 Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 3:34 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm69 :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 4 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . 2 , . . O . . , . X . X O X 3 5 . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


i can only encourage fighting spirit :salute: so now the big question: smart sacrifice or badass bleeding
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Post #100 Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 4:24 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm69 :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 X 4 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . 2 , . . O . . , . X . X O X 3 5 . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Well, I have aji on the right. I would like to keep the corner.

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