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Author:	skydyr [ Thu Nov 06, 2014 9:10 am ]
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drmwc wrote: I think 18 was a mistake, and the start of things becoming heavy. White played the stone on the side with a plan of abandoning it if necessary - 18 tries to hold onto it but leave many cuts behind. How about this as an alternative? Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm18 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . O . . . . . . O . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 6 . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . 5 4 , O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go] If black insists on capturing the lone stone, White gives up a lot of points, but gets thickness and quite a nice moyo. I suspect it's playable for white. It certainly feels m ore in keeping with the spirit of this fuseki. I'm not sure black should play to right away. Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm18 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . O . . . . . . O . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go] If black just comes out, it's not clear to me what white's group is accomplishing, and it looks kind of thin. I suppose as white, I'd probably consider staking the game on making a huge left/top side moyo and being able to make sabaki on the right.

Author: drmwc [ Thu Nov 06, 2014 10:00 am ]

Post subject: Re: Pippen vs. whomever danplayer comes first here

Polama:

I guess our positional judgement diverges. In the tewari variant without the sacrifice stone, I would be very happy with white.

Go is a topological game. Linking disparate groups across the board is very powerful, particularly early in the game.

sydyr:

I agree the line I showed may be sub-optimal. However, 21 is not necessarily a clear-cut improvement. After saving the singe stone white has a lot to aim at:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm22 23 pass $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . 5 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 4 X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . 1 , O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

For example, white is developing aji against the corner. This invasion looks pretty plausible. It doesn't quite work yet, but is not too far from becoming a threat.

White can still go for the mega-moyo:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm22 23 again passes $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 4 . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . 7 6 1 , O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 8 . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

This is a bit wasteful, but white gets sente and truly wonderful thickness.

White also has an emergency cut if he needs to get eyes:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm22 23 passes $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 4 X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . 1 , O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 7 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 5 6 . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

White won't do this in a hurry since 24-25 is such aji keshi.

So overall, after white connects at 23, all the white bits are strong. There is a lot of aji for white to aim at. I don't think white is badly off.

Here's a final idea demonstrating aji for white:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm22 23 again tenukis for some reason $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 6 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . 3 4 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 X 7 X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . 1 , O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

White has a ropey cut! Cutting is fun, so this this must be nearly optimal. It's just a shame it doesn't work... (Black can capture the cutting stones is white is too insistent). However, the centre blocking move is now stronger for white.

Author:	shapenaji [ Thu Nov 06, 2014 10:30 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Pippen vs. whomever danplayer comes first here
drmwc wrote: Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm22 23 pass $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . O . . . . . . O . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . a 5 . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 4 X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . 1 , O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go] For example, white is developing aji against the corner. This invasion looks pretty plausible. It doesn't quite work yet, but is not too far from becoming a threat. Looks a long way from working at the moment, I can't see how white can make a move that prevent's "a" from working without giving black the opportunity to fix. The stability of that group is entirely local. Quote: White can still go for the mega-moyo: Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm22 23 again passes $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . O . . . . . . O . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 X . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 4 . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . 7 6 1 , O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 8 . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go] This is a bit wasteful, but white gets sente and truly wonderful thickness. EDIT: 25 seems awfully submissive... why not 25 at 26? I don't see a strong w response?

Author:	skydyr [ Thu Nov 06, 2014 10:57 am ]
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shapenaji wrote: drmwc wrote: Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm22 23 pass $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . O . . . . . . O . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . a 5 . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 4 X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . 1 , O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go] For example, white is developing aji against the corner. This invasion looks pretty plausible. It doesn't quite work yet, but is not too far from becoming a threat. Looks a long way from working at the moment, I can't see how white can make a move that prevent's "a" from working without giving black the opportunity to fix. The stability of that group is entirely local. Quote: White can still go for the mega-moyo: Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm22 23 again passes $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . O . . . . . . O . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 X . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 4 . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . 7 6 1 , O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 8 . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go] This is a bit wasteful, but white gets sente and truly wonderful thickness. EDIT: 25 seems awfully submissive... why not 25 at 26? I don't see a strong w response? It may be worth noting that black passed for in each of these diagrams as well.

Author: drmwc [ Thu Nov 06, 2014 11:08 am ]

Post subject: Re: Pippen vs. whomever danplayer comes first here

You mean this?

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm24 23 again passes $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . 9 . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 8 . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 7 1 X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 3 4 . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . 5 O , O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Again, this looks OK for white. (Admittedly passing with 23 is unlikely to be the best move!)

SO I think an overall likely continuation, without the pass is something along these lines:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm22 23 doesn't pass $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . 1 , O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . 3 . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

I have no idea who's winning. This looks way better for white than the actual game.

Author:	shapenaji [ Thu Nov 06, 2014 11:11 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Pippen vs. whomever danplayer comes first here
That, or something like this, it's complicated, and black has one extra stone on the board. Also, b is viable in the following diagram: Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm24 23 again passes $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . O . . . . . . O . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . a . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . b 1 X . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 3 4 . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . 5 O , O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go] EDIT: Plaase Halp, my diagram broke!

Author:	Pippen [ Thu Nov 06, 2014 2:43 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Pippen vs. whomever danplayer comes first here
Just in case someone is still interested. This is the last position, black to play. Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$B $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . O . . . . . . O . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O W . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O X X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . . . . . . . . X O O X X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . X X X O . X . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . O X O X . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . X O O O . . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Author:	shapenaji [ Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:05 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Pippen vs. whomever danplayer comes first here
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$B $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . O . . . . . . O . B . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . B . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . O a O O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O X X B . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . b O O . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . . . . . . . . X O O X X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . X X X O . X . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . O X O X . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . X O O O . . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go] "a" and "b" are miai and the marked stones have lots of breathing room, I dunno, what are you looking to get out of this game at this point Pippen?

Author:	Pippen [ Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:09 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Pippen vs. whomever danplayer comes first here
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$B $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . O . . . . . . O . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O W . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O X X X . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . . . . . . . . X O O X X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . X X X O . X . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . O X O X . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . X O O O . . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go] I want to win it or do you think White's position is hopeless?

Author:	shapenaji [ Thu Nov 06, 2014 7:53 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Pippen vs. whomever danplayer comes first here
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$B $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . O . . . . . . O . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . O B O O O . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X X X . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . . . . . . . . X O O X X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . X X X O . X . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . O X O X . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . X O O O . . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go] I think it's pretty hard for w at this point. Especially now with the loss of sente

Author:	Violence [ Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:10 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Pippen vs. whomever danplayer comes first here
This game is basically over imo.

Author:	Pippen [ Sat Nov 08, 2014 3:25 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Pippen vs. whomever danplayer comes first here
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Author:	shapenaji [ Sat Nov 08, 2014 6:15 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Pippen vs. whomever danplayer comes first here
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Author:	Uberdude [ Sun Nov 09, 2014 12:46 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Pippen vs. whomever danplayer comes first here
One comment I would make for you Pippen is that if you want to play lightly and sacrifice a lot then you need to pay extra attention to the technique and timing of making beneficial exchanges so that there is a little bad aji in our not-quite-as-big-as-they-seem territories. For example if you had found a time to make this exchange in the bottom right there is a little something in the corner that might wake up if you get some support on the lower side. But now that we are so strong above we would answer the attach with hane below and just kill it. Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$B $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . O . . . . . . O . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . , . . . B . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O O . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X X X . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . . . . . . . . X O O X X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . X X X O . X . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . O X O X . . . . . B . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . X O O O . . . . . . X W . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Author:	Pippen [ Sun Nov 09, 2014 2:55 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Pippen vs. whomever danplayer comes first here
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$B $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . O . . . . . . O . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . , . . . X W X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O O . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X X X . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . . . . . . . . X O O X X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . X X X O . X . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . O X O X . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . X O O O . . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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