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Offline Aidoneus
 Post subject: Re: #244 Bill vs Ed
Post #301 Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2014 10:21 pm 
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[go]$$Bm132 :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . O X X . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . X O X . X X X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X X O . . . . X 1 . . |
$$ | . O X O O . X . O O O . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O O X . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . X O X X X . . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . O X , . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . X . . . X O X O O . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . X X O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X . . . . X . . O . |
$$ | X . X X X O . O O X . . . . O X X O . |
$$ | . X O O X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | X O X O O . O . . . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


Yeah, I know it's an empty triangle. If he turns, I'll cut. If he connects, I'll extend now to the second; at least my chain will be connected.
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Post #302 Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2014 11:49 pm 
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[go]$$Wm133 :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . O X X . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . X O X . X X X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X X O . . . . X X 1 . |
$$ | . O X O O . X . O O O . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O O X . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . X O X X X . . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . O X , . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . X . . . X O X O O . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . X X O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X . . . . X . . O . |
$$ | X . X X X O . O O X . . . . O X X O . |
$$ | . X O O X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | X O X O O . O . . . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline Aidoneus
 Post subject: Re: #244 Bill vs Ed
Post #303 Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2014 11:52 pm 
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[go]$$Bm134 :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . O X X . . . . . 1 O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . X O X . X X X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X X O . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O . X . O O O . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O O X . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . X O X X X . . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . O X , . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . X . . . X O X O O . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . X X O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X . . . . X . . O . |
$$ | X . X X X O . O O X . . . . O X X O . |
$$ | . X O O X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | X O X O O . O . . . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #304 Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 12:06 am 
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Hi Aidoneus, the bad news about sente & gote is it's an endless journey.
That's also the good news. :)
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[go]$$Wm135 :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . O X X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . X O X . X X X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X X O . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O . X . O O O . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O O X . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . X O X X X . . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . O X , . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . X . . . X O X O O . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . X X O . . . . . . . X 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X . . . . X . . O . |
$$ | X . X X X O . O O X . . . . O X X O . |
$$ | . X O O X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | X O X O O . O . . . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline Aidoneus
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Post #305 Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 1:18 am 
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If you play S19, then I play Q19.

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[go]$$Bm136 :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . O X X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . X O X . X X X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X X O . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O . X . O O O . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O O X . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . X O X X X . . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . O X , . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . X . . . X O X O O . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . X X O . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X . . . . X . . O . |
$$ | X . X X X O . O O X . . . . O X X O . |
$$ | . X O O X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | X O X O O . O . . . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Wm137 :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . O X X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . X O X . X X X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X X O . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O . X . O O O . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O O X . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . X O X X X . . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . O X , . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . X . . . X O X O O . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . X . . . . . . X 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . X . X X O . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X . . . . X . . O . |
$$ | X . X X X O . O O X . . . . O X X O . |
$$ | . X O O X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | X O X O O . O . . . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #307 Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 1:23 am 
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[go]$$Bm136
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . b 1 a . |
$$ | . . . X O X . O X X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . X O X . X X X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X X O . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O . X . O O O . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O O X . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . X O X X X . . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O . . . . . . . X X . . . |[/go]
Aidoneus wrote:
If you play (a), then I play (b).
For beginners: can you find the error(s) in the above variation ?
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[go]$$W if :w5: connects at :bc: , then :b6: ataris at (c)
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . c 3 B 1 . |
$$ | . . . X O X . O X X . . . . . X O 2 . |
$$ | . . O X O . X O X . X X X . . X O 4 . |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X X O . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O . X . O O O . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O O X . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . X O X X X . . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O . . . . . . . X X . . . |[/go]

Both :white: (a) atari and :black: (b) are wrong.
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Offline Aidoneus
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Post #308 Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 1:32 am 
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OK, I get it. I can't push you around. Still, if you play S19, I will answer Q19. Of course, if you play S5, I will answer Q5.

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[go]$$Bm138 :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . O X X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . X O X . X X X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X X O . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O . X . O O O . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O O X . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . X O X X X . . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . O X , . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . X . . . X O X O O . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . X . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . X X O . . . . . . 1 X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X . . . . X . . O . |
$$ | X . X X X O . O O X . . . . O X X O . |
$$ | . X O O X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | X O X O O . O . . . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Wm139 :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . O X X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . X O X . X X X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X X O . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O . X . O O O . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O O X . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . X O X X X . . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . O X , . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . X . . . X O X O O . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . X . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . X X O . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X . . . . X . . O . |
$$ | X . X X X O . O O X . . . . O X X O . |
$$ | . X O O X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | X O X O O . O . 1 . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #310 Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 1:55 am 
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Yeah, that was where I thought that I was going to play after the "forced" sequence at the top right. Of course, I didn't think it through. BTW, it's almost 3:00 AM here, so I am probably going to fall asleep soon.

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[go]$$Bm140 :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . O X X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . X O X . X X X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X X O . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O . X . O O O . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O O X . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . X O X X X . . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . O X , . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . X . . . X O X O O . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . X . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . X X O . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X . . . . X . . O . |
$$ | X . X X X O . O O X . . . . O X X O . |
$$ | . X O O X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | X O X O O . O . O 1 . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #311 Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 2:03 am 
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Hi Aidoneus, have some nice rest during this holiday. :)
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[go]$$Wm141 :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . O X X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . X O X . X X X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X X O . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O . X . O O O . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O O X . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . X O X X X . . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . O X , . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . X . . . X O X O O . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . 1 . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . X . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . X X O . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X . . . . X . . O . |
$$ | X . X X X O . O O X . . . . O X X O . |
$$ | . X O O X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | X O X O O . O . O X . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$W
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
For beginners.

Of course, :b2: is a very big move.
But from this move, and certain :black: moves later,
there's a feeling :black: was avoiding direct conflict with :white: .
This is a strategy. It could work if the follow-ups were OK,
and :black:'s follow-ups were quite OK for a long time.

Both :b8: and :b10: had this similar feeling (posts 296, 297).

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[go]$$Wm19
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . , . . . . O X X 1 . |
$$ | . . O . X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
For beginners.

:b20: was a local miss (post 36),
but after the :w21: - :b22: exchange, globally :black: was still in good shape.

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[go]$$Bm24
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . b . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . , . . . . O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
For beginners.

This exchange :b24: - :w25: is a common beginner mistake.
( Not so easy to explain this in a few words. )
Of course, :black: did not lose the game here.
It still has to do with the follow-ups.

For example, a local follow-up for :black: is to continue the contact fight:
continue to push at (a). But in the game, :b26: went to (b).
This has to do with the understanding of basic shapes,
liberties, basic contact fight.

( Local time Fri Dec 26, 2014. 5:56 pm. )
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$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 2 . . W . . B . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Y O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O Q . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . , . . . . O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
For beginners.

With :bc: and :b32: , I get the same feeling again that :black: is avoiding direct conflict --
almost like :black: is scared of the :wc: stone.

Go is so interesting (and difficult): why the direct contact :bt: - :wt: is not good for :black: ,
and why :bc: and :b32: feel shy (to me).

( Local time Fri Dec 26, 2014. 6:16 pm. )
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From :w33: through :b40: , :black: lost a bit locally (post 73).
Globally, of course, :black: was still doing well.

( Local time Fri Dec 26, 2014. 6:32 pm. )
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[go]$$Wm43
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . . O . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . 2 . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . , . . . . O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
For beginners.

I thought :b44: was good; it was the first :black: move that showed fighting spirit, to me.

That corner, :b44: split :white: into two weak groups.
If :black: could continue to attack well, :white: would be in trouble.
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$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . . O . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . X X O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X . . . . X . . O . |
$$ | . . X X X O . O O X . . . . O X X O . |
$$ | . X O O X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . 1 . . . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
For beginners.

This :b58: atari feels slow. Maybe too conservative; a bit scared ?
There are a few more :black: moves like this later.

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[go]$$B
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . . O . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . X X O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X . . . . X . . O . |
$$ | . . X X X O . O O X . . . . O X X O . |
$$ | . X O O X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
Instead, if :black: takes a big move like :b1: hane, then if :w2: runs,
then :black: welcomes this fight.

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[go]$$Wm79
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . . O . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . , . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . 1 . . . . . 2 O X O O . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . X X O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X . . . . X . . O . |
$$ | . . X X X O . O O X . . . . O X X O . |
$$ | . X O O X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
The :b80: atari is another example that seems slow.

Instead, :black: has the option to push-and-cut with :b1: ... :b3: .
If :white: tries to run with :w4:, again, :black: can handle the fight.
:white: still has to deal with (a) at some point:
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[go]$$B
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . . O . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . , . 5 . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O a . 1 O . . . . . 4 O X O O . . |
$$ | . O X O O 2 3 . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . X X O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X . . . . X . . O . |
$$ | . . X X X O . O O X . . . . O X X O . |
$$ | . X O O X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


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Hi Ed,

I resign. Congratulations and thank you for playing me. :D

Time to go back and read the hidden comments!
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Hi Bill,

Thanks very much. Our return flight tickets are for coming Monday Dec 29, 2014.
Since I didn't carry any computing device for this trip except for an iPhone 4S,
this has been the only Go game I could afford this whole time.
Thank you.

You did very well, for a very long time.
I started adding some thoughts about the game in the recent few posts,
and I still had not reached the upper-left fight that was very important.

Up until that point, I was behind the whole time. :)

I'm curious about the comments, too. Like opening presents for the holidays. :mrgreen:

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