#244 Bill vs Ed

Aidoneus · **#41**

EdLee wrote:

Congrats on your new iPad mini 2. Is it your first ever iPad ?

Your last two move numbers were off by 2:
:b18:

should've been :b20:

should've been :b22:

.

First iPad (or iPod or iPhone, for that matter). Though my first Mac was a 512k machine back in 1986. And I still have an old pre-Intel Mac running Panther.

Sorry about messing up the move numbers! :oops:

Aidoneus · **#42**

I must have lost the thread of this game, as it feels like it's about to unravel.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm24 $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . | $$ | . . X X . O . . . , . . . . O X X O . | $$ | . . O . X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

EdLee · **#43**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wm25 $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 1 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . | $$ | . . X X . O . . . , . . . . O X X O . | $$ | . . O . X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

EdLee · **#44**

You can still go back to your previous posts and fix the move numbers: click the "edit" button.

22°F is crazy!

Aidoneus · **#45**

EdLee wrote:

You can still go back to your previous posts and fix the move numbers: click the "edit" button.

22°F is crazy!

OK, I will, thanks. And I'm just grateful that wasn't the low Friday night, which was about 32 F.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm26 $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . 1 . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . | $$ | . . X X . O . . . , . . . . O X X O . | $$ | . . O . X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

EdLee · **#46**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wm27 $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . X . . . 1 . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . | $$ | . . X X . O . . . , . . . . O X X O . | $$ | . . O . X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Bill Spight · **#47**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm27 $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . X . . . 1 . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X 2 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . | $$ | . . X X . O . . . , . . . . O X X O . | $$ | . . O . X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

My question about :w27:

is that it invites :b28:

, which strengthens the :bc:

stone.

Edit: Unhidden.

Aidoneus · **#48**

I think that by the time you get up on the West Coast, I'll be at Purdue, so take your time answering. I'll check back this afternoon (CST) when I'm between classes.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm28 $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . X . . 1 O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . | $$ | . . X X . O . . . , . . . . O X X O . | $$ | . . O . X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Bill Spight · **#49**

Ah, well. So much for my thoughts on the subject.

Edit: Unhidden.

EdLee · **#50**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wm29 $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . X . . X O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 1 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . | $$ | . . X X . O . . . , . . . . O X X O . | $$ | . . O . X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Aidoneus · **#51**

On class break. Back home tonight after 9:30 PM CST. No hurry, Ed. Of course, no hurry period. You can always take as much time as you like for any reason.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm30 $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . X . . X O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . | $$ | . . X X . O . . . , . . . . O X X O . | $$ | . . O . X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

EdLee · **#52**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wm31 $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . X . . X O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 1 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . | $$ | . . X X . O . . . , . . . . O X X O . | $$ | . . O . X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Bill Spight · **#53**

Local shape here is a little above Aidoneus's pay scale. As he may see after Ed's next move.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm30 Shape? $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . X . . X W 3 . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X 1 2 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . | $$ | . . X X . O . . . , . . . . O X X O . | $$ | . . O . X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

The first shape lesson here is that :bc:

is expendable. An indication of that is the 3x3 window around it. White has two more stones there than Black. Saving the Black stone does not accomplish much.

Once you realize that you can treat :bc:

lightly,

comes to mind. It threatens to gobble up :wc:

. To prevent that White makes the exchange, :w31:

-

. Then it looks like tenuki time.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm30 Shape? $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . X . . X W . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X 3 5 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 1 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 B O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . | $$ | . . X X . O . . . , . . . . O X X O . | $$ | . . O . X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

The counter hane looks attractive. Now if White captures the :bc:

stone, Black swallows up the :wc:

stone, a coup for Black.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm30 Variation $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . X . . X W 7 . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X 5 2 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 1 3 | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 B O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . | $$ | . . X X . O . . . , . . . . O X X O . | $$ | . . O . X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

White can try the clamp, but Black responds with a descent. I don't think that the ko is big enough to fight at this stage of the game. (Instead of :b36:

.) Still a coup for Black.

Edit: Unhidden.

Aidoneus · **#54**

I'll post one before I go to bed. Sorry, but Monday and Wednesday are long days for me.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm32 $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . 1 . . O . . X . . X O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . | $$ | . . X X . O . . . , . . . . O X X O . | $$ | . . O . X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

EdLee · **#55**

9:07 pm local time. Sitting at LAX, waiting for the flight.

EdLee · **#56**

Now 06:45 am, the other side of the globe, waiting at the luggage belt at the airport.

Almost 24 hours of traveling...

Aidoneus · **#57**

EdLee wrote:

Now 06:45 am, the other side of the globe, waiting at the luggage belt at the airport.

Almost 24 hours of traveling...

Don't worry about our game. Enjoy your trip! After you return and have rested, we can resume anytime.

Uberdude · **#58**

Aidoneus, can I suggest you post 2 alternative moves you considered for each move. This way we can see if you are considering better moves but dismissing therm through faulty judgement, or failing to find them. It's also a good discipline to follow and should make you play better.

EdLee · **#59**

Hi Aidoneus, now 30+ hours... a few short naps...

. Thanks.

Uberdude · **#60**

For example a few moves ago I would hope to see a diagram like this with a comment along the lines of "I wanted to block here but am scared of the cuts":

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm20 $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . | $$ | . . X X . O . . . , . . . . O X X O . | $$ | . . O . X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Your hidden comment perhaps referred to this move and some problems with cuts against MFOG but it wasn't clear.

If you want to play this that's good as it's the only move and you just need to conquer your fears (and understand what different yet similar positions that fear could be real). But if you didn't even think of this then you have a more serious problem in your basic instincts.

#244 Bill vs Ed

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