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Author:	paK0 [ Fri Oct 31, 2014 12:47 pm ]
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As much as I enjoy the dan vs dan Malkovich games, this is pretty cool too, only 10 moves played and you can already learn something =) Can someone enlighten me about ? I thought it was normal to wait for a double enclosure to jump into the 3-3

Author:	EdLee [ Fri Oct 31, 2014 2:21 pm ]
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Aidoneus wrote: to include the coordinates. Would you rather we leave them off? I know I will get more confused without them! Hi Aidoneus, I like the clean look; and you're free to do whatever you like with your diagrams. I also don't see why you would be confused, as there are no coordinates on a real board. Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wm13 $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X X . O . . . , . . . . . X X . . \| $$ \| . . O . X O . . . X . . X . . 1 O . . \| $$ \| . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Author:	skydyr [ Fri Oct 31, 2014 2:58 pm ]
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paK0 wrote: As much as I enjoy the dan vs dan Malkovich games, this is pretty cool too, only 10 moves played and you can already learn something =) Can someone enlighten me about ? I thought it was normal to wait for a double enclosure to jump into the 3-3 When you're playing a high-handicap game as white, you can't always afford to play the proper move because you're too far behind. This is an invasion into a corner enclosure, and the basic strategy is probably something on the lines of "I take the territory, then I live big in the center. No territory for you!" Don't do this normally. Also, attaching to the right of the star point is perhaps more common with this enclosure than the direct 3-3 invasion, but it depends on white's goals. The 2-4 and 2-5 can also be quite valid, making more of a miai between the corner and side. That said, you're thinking of a double-wing formation, as when black has both star points on the sides adjacent. This is actually later than that here, as black also has the ogeima extension.

Author:	hyperpape [ Sat Nov 01, 2014 7:54 am ]
Post subject:	Re: #244 Bill vs Ed
I would suggest that you don't your opponent for the board, or you'll end up seeing his hidden comments when he makes them. I have made that mistake before. Ed is a better player than me, so take this with a grain of salt, but it feels like White's plays in both corners are encouraging black to settle easily, and that's your enemy as White in a handicap game.

Author:	EdLee [ Sat Nov 01, 2014 8:12 am ]
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hyperpape, good advice for Aidoneus. I'm careful not to have any hidden tags (so far) in the same post with a new move, so they're all safe to be quoted.

Author:	Aidoneus [ Sat Nov 01, 2014 1:34 pm ]
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Sorry for the long delay. My power was just restored; it was a long, cold, dark, night--much worse than the long, dark, tea time of the soul. I apologize in advance for my next delay, as I am now behind with my school work and may not get back here for several hours. I'll post a picture in my journal of why I had no heat in my car, though. Unless it really bothers you, I'm going to include board coordinates to make it easier for my comments. Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm14 $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X X . O . . . , . . . . . X X . . \| $$ \| . . O . X O . . . X . . X . 1 O O . . \| $$ \| . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ -----------------------------------------[/go] It's about 50 F in my house--warming up slowly from the sun and now heat! My fingers are cold and I'm looking forward to making something hot in my microwave, so I'm just going to make a natural move at P3. No other move crosses my mind since I have a stone at N3 already.

Author:	EdLee [ Sat Nov 01, 2014 4:59 pm ]
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Sorry to hear about your power situation -- hope you had enough blankets to stay warm overnight. Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wm15 $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X X . O . . . , . . . . . X X . . \| $$ \| . . O . X O . . . X . . X . X O O . . \| $$ \| . . . . O . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Author:	Aidoneus [ Sat Nov 01, 2014 6:42 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: #244 Bill vs Ed
Blankets plus clothes! It was a three dog night. Fortunately, I have three dogs. I'll be up for another hour or so, otherwise I'll look tomorrow morning to see how you've punished my play! Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm16 $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X X . O . . . , . . . . . X X . . \| $$ \| . . O . X O . . . X . . X . X O O . . \| $$ \| . . . . O . . . . . . . . 1 O . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ -----------------------------------------[/go] This was the move, O2, that I had planned against P2. I'm not sure now, though, as White might cut, force me to make an empty triangle, and give up the corner stones in exchange for outside influence. I also considered B3 to dig White out of the bottom-left corner (maybe), but I figured this bottom/corner is more urgent to stabilize. After the game, I guess I'll see how ridiculous my thought process has been.

Author:	EdLee [ Sat Nov 01, 2014 6:59 pm ]
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wm17 $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X X . O . . . , . . . . 1 X X . . \| $$ \| . . O . X O . . . X . . X . X O O . . \| $$ \| . . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Author:	Aidoneus [ Sat Nov 01, 2014 7:32 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: #244 Bill vs Ed
Yeah, that was the dastardly move I feared. Now I have to make the dreaded empty triangle. Oh the shame, oh the shame. Take your time as I'm off to rendezvous with my wife in a nice warm bed. Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm18 $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X X . O . . . , . . . . O X X . . \| $$ \| . . O . X O . . . X . . X 1 X O O . . \| $$ \| . . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ -----------------------------------------[/go] So, now, does White extend or protect the corner. My guess is extend and try to get outside influence.

Author:	EdLee [ Sat Nov 01, 2014 7:46 pm ]
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wm19 $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X X . O . . . , . . . . O X X 1 . \| $$ \| . . O . X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . \| $$ \| . . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Author:	Aidoneus [ Sun Nov 02, 2014 5:34 am ]
Post subject:	Re: #244 Bill vs Ed
Very hard freeze, down to 22 F last night, sure glad to have power again. The polar vortex really arrived early this year. (A year almost without a summer here in the Great Lakes region. Not that I'm complaining, really. We went without AC and only occasionally needed to run fans.) Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm20 $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . \| $$ \| . . X X . O . . . , . . . . O X X O . \| $$ \| . . O . X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . \| $$ \| . . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ -----------------------------------------[/go] I guess that I have to capture the cutting stone. Like I feared, though, White will get out and eat along the right. I gave up playing the hane from two fourth-line stones, instead extending with a third fourth-line stone, against MFoG because the cut seemed to always result in more trouble than it was worth.

Author:	Bill Spight [ Sun Nov 02, 2014 7:05 am ]
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Edit: Unhidden.

Author:	Aidoneus [ Sun Nov 02, 2014 7:45 am ]
Post subject:	Re: #244 Bill vs Ed
I've had to lock up my pick axe to keep from mining these hidden comments! Attachment: pickaxe.jpg [ 13.48 KiB \| Viewed 8424 times ]

Author:	EdLee [ Sun Nov 02, 2014 12:44 pm ]
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wm21 $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . 1 . \| $$ \| . . X X . O . . . , . . . . O X X O . \| $$ \| . . O . X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . \| $$ \| . . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Author:	EdLee [ Sun Nov 02, 2014 12:59 pm ]
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For beginners. Instead of , the normal sequence: Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$B $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . . 1 . \| $$ \| . . X X . O . . . , . . . . W X X O . \| $$ \| . . O . X O . . . X . . X X X O O 2 . \| $$ \| . . . . O . . . . . . . . X O 4 . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ -----------------------------------------[/go] W must add a move like or B can kill the corner. Then, B can add (a) in gote to capture and become very thick. Or, if B feels he's strong enough locally and globally, he can omit (a) and tenuki, but this gives W a chance to do something with . For beginners. seems to be a common mistake at these levels. Maybe B was worried about -- but after atari, B has miai of (a) and (b), so it's no problem for B -- Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$B $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . a . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 2 1 . \| $$ \| . . X X . O . . . , . . . . O X X O . \| $$ \| . . O . X O . . . X . . X X X O O b . \| $$ \| . . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ -----------------------------------------[/go] On I was going to offer the standard trigger, - . but I'm still very unclear about B's level. There was a small chance he wouldn't play it. I'm still playing some probes to see how B replies. Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wm19 $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . \| $$ \| . . X X . O . . . , . . . . O X X 1 . \| $$ \| . . O . X O . . . X . . X X X O O 3 . \| $$ \| . . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Author:	EdLee [ Sun Nov 02, 2014 1:14 pm ]
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Variation: Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$W $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . c b . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 2 1 a . \| $$ \| . . X X . O . . . , . . . . O X X O . \| $$ \| . . O . X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . \| $$ \| . . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ -----------------------------------------[/go] After , options for : Connect solidly at (a); Connect with the tiger's mouth (b), but this allows atari (c); Extend to (c), but this may give up the corner. If , then atari, this is a simple way to give up the corner. I'm not sure of this result. Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$W $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . 3 5 . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 2 1 4 7 \| $$ \| . . X X . O . . . , . . . . O X X O . \| $$ \| . . O . X O . . . X . . X X X O O 6 . \| $$ \| . . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . 8 . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ -----------------------------------------[/go] If connects, this leads to a local fight: Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$W $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 0 . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 8 . \| $$ \| . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . 3 6 . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 2 1 4 . \| $$ \| . . X X . O . . . , . . . . O X X O . \| $$ \| . . O . X O . . . X . . X X X O O 5 . \| $$ \| . . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ -----------------------------------------[/go] Continuation. The corner probably still dies. is damaged. I'm not sure of this result. Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wm11 $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . Y 3 4 . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . \| $$ \| . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O X . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O X . \| $$ \| . . X X . O . . . , . . . . O X X O . \| $$ \| . . O . X O . . . X . . X X X O O O . \| $$ \| . . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Author:	Aidoneus [ Sun Nov 02, 2014 1:32 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: #244 Bill vs Ed
Fooling around with my new iPad mini 2. Gonna decide my first book for it, so I may not respond again for awhile. Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm22 $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . \| $$ \| . . X X . O . . . , . . . . O X X O . \| $$ \| . . O . X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . \| $$ \| . . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ -----------------------------------------[/go] I guess this makes local shape? We'll, or rather I, will see after the game.

Author:	EdLee [ Sun Nov 02, 2014 1:35 pm ]
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Congrats on your new iPad mini 2. Is it your first ever iPad ? Your last two move numbers were off by 2: should've been should've been .

Author:	EdLee [ Sun Nov 02, 2014 2:08 pm ]
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