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Author: | Aidoneus [ Wed Nov 05, 2014 5:19 am ] |
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Uberdude wrote: Aidoneus, can I suggest you post 2 alternative moves you considered for each move. This way we can see if you are considering better moves but dismissing therm through faulty judgement, or failing to find them. It's also a good discipline to follow and should make you play better. |
Author: | EdLee [ Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:16 pm ] |
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Author: | EdLee [ Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:19 pm ] |
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Author: | Aidoneus [ Thu Nov 06, 2014 1:22 am ] |
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Hi Ed, I hope your trip is going well! Just past 2:00 AM here, old man up to urinate and can't get back to sleep, so figured I'd check online. Happy happenstance. EDIT: http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... o-urinate/ |
Author: | EdLee [ Thu Nov 06, 2014 1:30 am ] |
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Hi Aidoneus, thanks. A bit tiring, from the flight & travels, and the noise pollution here. ( Local time: Thursday Nov 6, 2014. 4:30 pm. ) |
Author: | Bill Spight [ Thu Nov 06, 2014 1:39 am ] |
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is normally at 36, and here is why. Black contains White in the corner and takes sente. Edit: Unhidden. |
Author: | Aidoneus [ Thu Nov 06, 2014 2:19 am ] |
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Where, exactly, is here, if I may ask? |
Author: | EdLee [ Thu Nov 06, 2014 7:13 am ] |
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Hi Aidoneus, I'm in Asia. ( Local time: Thursday Nov 6, 2014. 10:11 pm. ) |
Author: | Aidoneus [ Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:09 am ] |
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I have no idea why I thought you were in Europe. I would love to travel overseas some day. |
Author: | skydyr [ Thu Nov 06, 2014 9:20 am ] |
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skydyr wrote: paK0 wrote: |
Author: | hyperpape [ Thu Nov 06, 2014 11:38 am ] |
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Author: | EdLee [ Thu Nov 06, 2014 10:03 pm ] |
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( Local time: Friday Nov 7, 2014. 1:03 pm. ) |
Author: | EdLee [ Thu Nov 06, 2014 10:11 pm ] |
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Author: | Aidoneus [ Thu Nov 06, 2014 11:12 pm ] |
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Author: | Bill Spight [ Fri Nov 07, 2014 1:14 am ] |
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Aidoneus wrote: Don't ask me, I'm just playing the "standard" corner moves that end in gote. Well, we'll see if Aidoneus changes his mind, but this is why people advise against learning joseki. As Znosko-Borovsky said about chess, Do not make opening moves automatically and without reflection. Maybe he will realize that after , Black can and should take sente and play elsewhere. If White does cut, Black has a ladder starting with - , , but should things change so that the ladder no longer works, Black can sacrifice the stone as shown. WTP? (What's The Problem?) Normally White will not cut but in the endgame play the clamp with , leading to - , . Preventing that is small. Black should not take gote now. Quote: I did notice that by playing first at C16, instead of C17, Ed induced the direction he wanted me to block. Interesting observation. "If White had started on the 3-3, I would have blocked at C-16, but he has cleverly played to induce me to transpose into a variation in which I blocked at D-17." Wait a second! As Emmanuel Lasker might have said, Black has not made a mistake by blocking at C-15. Can White really force me, in effect, into making an inferior play? Maybe so, but maybe not. If White wants me to play at D-17, maybe I should make a different play. If Aidoneus had followed that train of thought, he might have found the descent to B-15 or the solid connection at D-15. Edit: Unhidden. |
Author: | EdLee [ Fri Nov 07, 2014 2:34 am ] |
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( Local time: Friday Nov 7, 2014. 5:33 pm. ) |
Author: | Aidoneus [ Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:31 am ] |
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Trouble! Right here in Ebony City. Trouble with a "T" And that rhymes with "P" And that stands for PyeSeok! I'm covering for another professor this morning, so I'll check back this afternoon (CST). No need to hurry, I'll just bandage up my gnawed fingertips... |
Author: | Bill Spight [ Fri Nov 07, 2014 7:33 am ] |
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I guess Ed didn't want to take gote. Edit: Unhidden. |
Author: | Bill Spight [ Fri Nov 07, 2014 7:58 am ] |
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Aidoneus wrote: I agonized over playing this move or F9. If F9, however, I didn't like the fight after White plays C6. Continuing that train of thought, how can you prevent White from playing C-06, without strengthening White? The question answers itself, doesn't it? forms a strong shape called the table shape with the stones. In addition, it threatens to connect underneath with . (Not that Black should make that play soon, but it is an option.) I might worry that is too passive, but it would be bothersome if White played there, and it is an attacking play, since it leaves the stone without a base. Besides, it is a 6 stone game. Quote: Maybe I'm deluded but I believe that I am still ahead, so I think that I should avoid unnecessary fights. That's not a delusion, it's a non sequitur. You are still ahead, but that does not mean that you should avoid fights. In fact, the way to solidify a lead is by attacking, as a rule. To echo Ben Hogan, you develop your power by using it. To echo Sakata in Killer of Go, you won't become a killer if you don't try to kill. Edit: Unhidden. |
Author: | EdLee [ Fri Nov 07, 2014 8:06 am ] |
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