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| Author: | Kirby [ Thu Dec 11, 2014 3:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0 |
A lot of dialogue for 7 moves. |
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| Author: | Kirby [ Thu Dec 11, 2014 3:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0 |
I'll post another one, just to throw him off. He'll think I have an elaborate plan, or something crazy like that.  |
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| Author: | paK0 [ Fri Dec 12, 2014 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0 |
Went with the safe one. The jump-cut seems too good for him. I guess the good news is that splitting is more severe when the stones are closer together, so at least I got that principle going for me^^. As an additional benefit his O10 stone and the two on top are hard to connect with one move, so maybe there is a cut for me later. I looked at a couple of continuations, but I can't even hope to guess what he will do next, either way, I'll keep him split, at some point there will be a good opportunity for me to attack. |
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| Author: | Kirby [ Fri Dec 12, 2014 10:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0 |
His move is good - it's probably what I would play in the same situation. And if he keeps playing moves that I would play, it's like giving a 9 stone handicap to myself... How can I win? I considered a few moves here. The first instinct is to just push, since he is pushing, but clearly, this takes away potential from the marked stone:
So it's not that satisfying. Plus, the group I'm pushing from is becoming heavy. So second choice is to play lightly.
I like the feeling of this move. Yet, still, I don't yet have a plan for what to do if he simply attaches:
It seems hard to make something work. Maybe I jump further?
Or maybe I try to get some action going with the stone he covers?
I could also consider splitting now, too, and see how he responds:
Though, this seems kind of unorganized and without plan... My craziest idea right now is this one:
Seems like an overplay, and it is probably a bad move. But maybe I can gain advantage with local fighting, if he is weaker at that. For example:
I could consider 'a' or 'b', perhaps after this... Though, I am at a disadvantage in this kind of a fight, so it is a risky plan. If black plays well, he can get more profit, and I'll be more behind... So I guess I'm currently leaning right now between the more calm response of:
And the gamble of:
Typically, I am more of a gambler... But I wanted to play properly this game. On the other hand, can I win if I do that way? |
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| Author: | Kirby [ Fri Dec 12, 2014 10:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0 |
Meh, let's go with it. |
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| Author: | EdLee [ Fri Dec 12, 2014 11:10 am ] |
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| Author: | EdLee [ Fri Dec 12, 2014 11:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0 |
It might be nice if somebody keeps track of the move numbers.
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| Author: | paK0 [ Fri Dec 12, 2014 11:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0 |
I really want to ignore that and play O8, but I conventional wisdom tells me to respond. Anyway, I did some very fuzzy reading(sorry, I won't post the variations, my sgf file is a mess^^) I think ignoring it might be the best idea, the stone is not really doing anything right now, so I should not cling to it and make it heavy. I'm quite satisfied with the move I found. It's bound to make both players stronger, but since white still has three "groups" in that area I might get a good attack off this way. Depending on how he answers this I have two planned followups: If he stretches left of makes another move towards the top I'll take O7 and go after Q7. The 3-3 there is still open, but I should be able to profit nonetheless. If he makes another move I'll make the cut at P12, since he can no longer cut without getting under heavy attack. Let's see how my reading turns out |
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| Author: | paK0 [ Fri Dec 12, 2014 11:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0 |
EdLee wrote: It might be nice if somebody keeps track of the move numbers. I don't know, they are not too useful (imo) and like this the board looks nice and clean |
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| Author: | Aidoneus [ Fri Dec 12, 2014 12:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0 |
paK0 wrote: EdLee wrote: It might be nice if somebody keeps track of the move numbers. I don't know, they are not too useful (imo) and like this the board looks nice and clean You don't like move numbers because it looks cleaner without them; Ed doesn't like coordinates because it looks cleaner without them. 
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| Author: | EdLee [ Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:59 pm ] |
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paK0, paK0 wrote:
Pente ? |
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| Author: | EdLee [ Fri Dec 12, 2014 2:05 pm ] |
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Hi Aidoneus, another difference is all you need to toggle coordinates is the letter 'c'. But to add the move number(s) back for whatever reasons, one needs to keep another copy of the game around, either in SGF or in a diagram. |
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| Author: | paK0 [ Fri Dec 12, 2014 2:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0 |
@Ed Sorry, I don't get it XD. |
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| Author: | EdLee [ Fri Dec 12, 2014 7:16 pm ] |
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Pak0, Pente = Gomoku = Five in a Row. |
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| Author: | paK0 [ Fri Dec 12, 2014 7:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0 |
@Ed Ah that, I only knew it under Go bang. Yes, for that game your move looks a lot better then mine^^ |
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| Author: | EdLee [ Fri Dec 12, 2014 8:00 pm ] |
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paK0, paK0 wrote: Yes, for that game your move looks a lot better then mine^^ Which move ? o8 was your move from your hidden comment, not mine. |
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| Author: | Kirby [ Fri Dec 12, 2014 9:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0 |
He ignored my attachment. I'm so offended!  Of course, I can hane the tengen or something, since he ignored...
But I've got little to attack, and it doesn't put much pressure on his group. So first, pressure his group more, then make a deeper plan from there... Can I really give someone 9 stones in a malkovich game?? I dunno. |
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| Author: | EdLee [ Fri Dec 12, 2014 9:37 pm ] |
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Hi Kirby, Kirby wrote: Can I really give someone 9 stones in a malkovich game?? I dunno. So I tried 6 -- it's tough! |
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| Author: | moyoaji [ Fri Dec 12, 2014 10:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0 |
I'm wondering about this cut...
A part of me feels that black should take the time to cut before going back against the Q7 stone. On the other hand, could it be aji-keshi? Perhaps black may wish to play 011 later to go against the R14 stones? Then again, there's also this option for white as well.
It's messy, but does give white some free moves. I usually feel that free moves are desperately needed by white in a handicap game. Messing things up can't hurt either. Final verdict: I'm not sure. |
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| Author: | paK0 [ Fri Dec 12, 2014 11:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0 |
As planned He can force me into some ugly shapes, but cutting here keeps all of his stones weak, so it still seems ok |
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