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| Author: | Bill Spight [ Fri Dec 19, 2014 3:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0 |
Bravo, Kirby!  I think that pak0 will have trouble deciding where to play next. |
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| Author: | paK0 [ Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0 |
Gotta do some reading, but if the crosscut doesn't lead to immediate disaster for me I think I'll take it. My group on the right seems strong enough that a fight in that area should turn out well for me. |
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| Author: | paK0 [ Fri Dec 19, 2014 5:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0 |
Let's go for it. I can't really say my reading was conclusive and it seems to be a though fight, but it doesn't seem to end horribly for me. I didn't really look at tenuki this time, since conventional wisdom say to not ignore attachments, much less hanes, and I already did it three times. I thought about stretching, but then he could just connect at L11 and that seems to make things to easy for him |
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| Author: | Kirby [ Fri Dec 19, 2014 5:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0 |
I've gotta say, this guy's got some spirit |
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| Author: | moyoaji [ Fri Dec 19, 2014 11:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0 |
@Kirby I've noticed paK0 grow in strength rapidly since joining these forums. It seems like only yesterday I was offering advice on an IGS game where he was beginner class... That said, you're giving 9 stones for a reason. Don't let his fighting spirit cause you to lose yours. |
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| Author: | Kirby [ Fri Dec 19, 2014 11:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0 |
Atari is bad, so I should probably extend. It's either this one or this one:
But the one I selected seems more valuable... I dunno, though. I'm a little tipsy right now. Hopefully, I don't regret this move in the morning... |
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| Author: | Kirby [ Fri Dec 19, 2014 11:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0 |
moyoaji wrote: @Kirby I've noticed paK0 grow in strength rapidly since joining these forums. It seems like only yesterday I was offering advice on an IGS game where he was beginner class... That said, you're giving 9 stones for a reason. Don't let his fighting spirit cause you to lose yours. @moyoaji Thanks, moyoaji. It does look like he's doing well. I'm not that good at handicap games... Or malkovich games for that matter. But I wouldn't say I've lost my fighting spirit, yet. |
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| Author: | EdLee [ Fri Dec 19, 2014 11:46 pm ] |
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Kirby, Kirby wrote: I'm a little tipsy right now. From beer, sake, wine, soju, or... ? |
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| Author: | Kirby [ Fri Dec 19, 2014 11:48 pm ] |
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EdLee wrote: Kirby, Kirby wrote: I'm a little tipsy right now. From beer, wine, sake, Korean plum wine, or... ? Beer. But I like all of those. |
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| Author: | paK0 [ Sat Dec 20, 2014 1:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0 |
K9 would be natural, but I want to check first if M11 or M10 don't have some nice severe moves against his other center stones, e.g:
It looks super crude, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't consider it |
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| Author: | moyoaji [ Sat Dec 20, 2014 3:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0 |
paK0 wrote:
It looks super crude, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't consider it Oh, paK0. I hope you read just a bit farther... 
This would be unfortunate. |
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| Author: | paK0 [ Sun Dec 21, 2014 2:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0 |
I looked at all the extensions, as well as the ataris and this one seems best. The ataris seem to go nowhere, so I'd rather avoid them. None of the extensions looked like they end up in disaster, so I'm gonna go with the most severe one. My tengen stone doesn't need help yet, at least I think. Maybe there is some tesuji for situations like that, but I don't think I should be afraid of stuff that might not exist in the first place. |
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| Author: | Kirby [ Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0 |
Option A:
Option B:
Option C:
Option D:
Lolol Option E: tenuki. |
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| Author: | Kirby [ Sun Dec 21, 2014 9:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0 |
I like this one best. I wish I had more of a plan at this point, but I suck at handicap games. |
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| Author: | Bill Spight [ Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0 |
First, let me congratulate pak0 on his enterprising play. The crosscut has certainly made things interesting. Second, one of my teachers, a former insei, told me that center play was fighting strength. This game illustrates that. Third, FWIW, here is my top of the head thinking for Black's previous play.
First, the atari with  . This serves two purposes. It almost forces  , which makes the White stones towards the right heavy. Also, White may not respond with later on. It is hard now for White to sacrifice those stones. also provides some support for the  stone. Next, the extension of  , which also serves two purposes, at least. First, it makes it even harder to sacrifice the four White stones, because doing so would give up more territory than otherwise. Second, it attacks the  stones. It may also offer some long range support to the K-16 stone.Now, if  and  bolster the four White stones,  continues the attack on the stones.
I suppose that if , Kirby plans to sacrifice the stone with . Note that , Black's previous play, makes this a relatively easy sacrifice to make. pak0's feeling that it was severe should be balanced by the realization that it makes the sacrifice easier than the other extension. Go is not easy. |
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| Author: | paK0 [ Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0 |
I didn't think about this move, so back to the drawing board. M10 looks nice with the threat to push and cut or get a ponnuki in the centre, but the move is so obvious that I can't imagine Kirby not having a good reply ready.  |
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| Author: | Bill Spight [ Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0 |
pak0 does not see that capturing the two stones is small. Judgement matters. |
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| Author: | paK0 [ Tue Dec 23, 2014 5:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0 |
Gonna need a little more time, this is a though one
I really don't know how much I like that, it looks good regarding the right side, but I feel like I'm getting way overconcentrated here |
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| Author: | Uberdude [ Tue Dec 23, 2014 7:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0 |
@Kirby, Kirby wrote: I wish I had more of a plan at this point, but I suck at handicap games. Don't be too hard on yourself, paK0 is making it much harder for you than most people taking 9 stones would. |
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| Author: | paK0 [ Wed Dec 24, 2014 2:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0 |
Ultimately it seems like the best option I have. If I pull the other stone out he has N12 and while I couldn't read out exactly what happened to looks really dangerous. If the sequence I posted follows, Kirby will end up with a decently strong group, which gives him more options, but I feel like I haven't messed up horribly yet, so I'm still confident about the game. But I have to keep in mind to play a stone on the left side of the board every now and then. |
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