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Author: | DJLLAP [ Fri Feb 26, 2016 12:44 pm ] |
Post subject: | #261 DJLLAP vs Elom |
Hi Elom. Have a nice game. I don't really care about the rule set but I like open book and 6.5 Komi Odds or even? 6 |
Author: | Elom [ Fri Feb 26, 2016 12:58 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #261 DJLLAP vs Elom |
DJLLAP wrote: Hi Elom. Have a nice game. I don't really care about the rule set but I like open book and 6.5 Komi Odds or even? 6 Fine with me! Greetings, and have a nice game. |
Author: | Elom [ Fri Feb 26, 2016 3:45 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #261 DJLLAP vs Elom |
Haha, sorry, I remembered I'm supposed to actually check the nigiri number... Good game. :)
Deciding on the first move is usually a surprisingly tough challenge for me, however, for an unknown reason, it was clear what I wanted to play here. |
Author: | DJLLAP [ Fri Feb 26, 2016 3:55 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #261 DJLLAP vs Elom |
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Author: | Elom [ Sat Feb 27, 2016 3:48 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: #261 DJLLAP vs Elom |
I can't remember the last time I played this opening, so here goes. |
Author: | DJLLAP [ Sat Feb 27, 2016 11:34 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: #261 DJLLAP vs Elom |
My standard opening with white. |
Author: | Elom [ Sat Feb 27, 2016 12:35 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #261 DJLLAP vs Elom |
It's been a while since I've played conventionally for the first five moves. Maybe I'm ridding my fear of the fuseki . |
Author: | DJLLAP [ Sat Feb 27, 2016 12:50 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #261 DJLLAP vs Elom |
The bottom seems most important because of the Black star point. |
Author: | Elom [ Sat Feb 27, 2016 4:03 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #261 DJLLAP vs Elom |
Trying to keep it a simple game. Don't count on it, however..
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Author: | DJLLAP [ Sat Feb 27, 2016 5:19 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #261 DJLLAP vs Elom |
If he is not interested in the corner, I will take it. |
Author: | Elom [ Sun Feb 28, 2016 5:00 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: #261 DJLLAP vs Elom |
Playing at a would feel contradictory to black's previous move at 7. White could respond at b, and no matter what black next plays (descending is the move that appears best, to me), black is still a bit cramped considering white took the territory so easily. The corner isn't even fully secure yet after a-b-c, so must have nothing to do with whether a is actually good or bad, and everything to do with whether black feels like it. Hopefully, there is still aji in the corner if white plays here again.
Maybe this is also possible, but it felt a bit extreme giving white such influence. I'm *trying* to appear with calm moves... |
Author: | Uberdude [ Sun Feb 28, 2016 6:48 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: #261 DJLLAP vs Elom |
Elom needs to go back to basics. When opponent attaches hane or extend should be natural instinct, not tenuki. In the other game it was even worse letting his opponent connect to the pincer. Shouldn't try to be so fancy. lWhite d5 now is good. |
Author: | DJLLAP [ Sun Feb 28, 2016 10:44 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: #261 DJLLAP vs Elom |
I see no devastating way to continue in the bottom left, so I guess I'd better respond. Black is being very active, and if I focus on just one part of the board, I will fall behind fast. |
Author: | Elom [ Sun Feb 28, 2016 12:42 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #261 DJLLAP vs Elom |
I felt it was quite possible to deal with this variation-- black doesn't mind having a strong cramped group in this situation as white's attack at 4 isn't so effective, so black gained from the 9-10 exchange. Hopefully. Theoretically. However...
What? Now black doesn't seem so smart. The strong black group doesn't effectively cover the left side, so an extension from is still necessary yet unplayably slow.
It seems okay for both, though. But I just like the game move more
No matter what white tries, black still has a nice flow. So I guess its okay? |
Author: | DJLLAP [ Sun Feb 28, 2016 4:14 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #261 DJLLAP vs Elom |
Disrupt B's side before he can make anything of it. |
Author: | Elom [ Tue Mar 01, 2016 9:58 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: #261 DJLLAP vs Elom |
The area around a isn't very large at the moment, so I struggle to see black play there (to take advantage of the upper left pattern). Instead,
If white plays at a, I hope to cut at b.
And black could get sente moves in the corner to secure life for the upper left group and make the white group weak enough (vulnerable enough to attack) to make the upper side a little lager ( white wouldn't want two black moves in a row, or white could become the object of attack). I don't think white will play this way-- in fact, I have know idea as to where black could play next. |
Author: | DJLLAP [ Tue Mar 01, 2016 5:12 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #261 DJLLAP vs Elom |
I guess I will try to keep this split. |
Author: | Elom [ Thu Mar 03, 2016 2:26 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #261 DJLLAP vs Elom |
D11 There where a few variations in this move; I'm sorry if I cannot go through all of them right now, but I may at I later time.
Ah, I couldn't play so easily! This is probably what white expects and maybe wants in any case; so, I searched for other moves.
No matter, it seems that black has failed.
I'm trying to think in terms of what it would be like if and whether white will turn at 1.
I can't tell whether white will play a or b. I don't think there's any need to rush around b; black couldn't do anything severe without giving white a lot of influence, anyway, I think.
I cannot say there is anything particularly wrong with fig_1.15 (note that I don't draw diagrams or lay out stones before I play my move in correspondence; my opinion may change when I see them , but it feels like black is not really trying in this game, being lazy...
Maybe this is too far fetched, but I think this is a better way than simply playing at 5 in diagram 1.15. If white tries to punish black at a, black can use b-d. Pulling back at e seems best, as b gives black more options, I think. Well, let's hope I haven't made a reading error!
Black may try to sacrifice, but after , it just doesn't seem good enough. In fact, I'm not sure white must play 6 If black plays at 4 instead of 3, white descends at 3 and after the sequence a-d, it's hard to find a brilliant result for black even after pushing on the top (is it 100% sente?), maybe due to the with group on the left. |
Author: | DJLLAP [ Thu Mar 03, 2016 3:10 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #261 DJLLAP vs Elom |
The only move. |
Author: | Elom [ Fri Mar 04, 2016 12:00 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: #261 DJLLAP vs Elom |
Let's try it! . |
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