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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: #263 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Post #161 Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2016 1:31 am 
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something like this?
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X . X . . 9 X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . X O X 5 4 7 6 X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . O O 1 2 8 X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . 0 . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Joaz Banbeck
 Post subject: Re: #263 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Post #162 Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 3:17 pm 
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Magicwand has played a move that leads us into some very treacherous grounds. A good reply requires a lot of thinking.
Unfortunately, he has chosen to do it just prior to the beginning of the semester. My business is bookselling, and the online portion of it is swamped right now with textbook orders.

This is not inconsequential. The world is becoming chaotic, and we skate on the edge of disaster, waiting for one butterfly. And I'm delivering books late.

These are books on chemistry, accounting, law, medicine, and other serious subjects. They go to students who will be the leaders and innovators of tomorrow. If those students lack the knowledge that they should glean from these textbooks, they will go out into the world ill-prepared and uninformed.

The results will be innocuous at first. Decimal points will be dropped; paragraphs omitted; micrograms will be translated to milligrams; crucial screws will be left on the assembly table.

Later, it will be more obvious. Pumps will fail. Incidence of diseases will rise. Drones will fall from the skies.
Lawyers in the United Nations will fall to hand-to-hand fighting, frustrated by contracts with unintelligible clauses. But nobody will connect the dots in time.

Within a decade the consequences will be dire. All of the major stock markets will tank. Food riots will occur, even in developed countries. Cannibalism will be common in New York, London, and Bejing. Armies will be on the march, often led by their own non-commisioned officers. Supposedly curable diseases will become epidemic, unfettered by bankrupt pharmacutical companies. Many of the world's capital cities will go up in flames.

And all of this will happen as a result of a single overly ambitious move in a Malkovich game. Magicwand may well be responsible for the collapse of western civilization.

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Offline jeromie
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Post #163 Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 3:22 pm 
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I'm a community college teacher. Will you at least make sure my students' books get here on time? I don't want to listen to their excuses.
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Offline Joaz Banbeck
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Post #164 Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 3:46 pm 
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@Jeromie:
I'm making the west coast my top priority. Colorado? I'll try.
You should stock up on food and medicine just in case.
And avoid New York.

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Offline Joaz Banbeck
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Post #165 Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2016 6:42 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm81 Prisoners: :black:
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O . . . . . . . 2 . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . X O X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . 4 O 3 . . . X O . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'm back. It appears that I have saved western civilization. ( No, don't thank me. If you appreciate it, click on the yellow 'donate' button in the upper right corner. )

Saving my lower side may be more difficult. The aji is just as bad, and the battlefield is just as confusing ( Why did he not play J2 first?? It is an extra liberty in sente. )

There are really only two candidates:

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$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . X O X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . a O O b . . X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


He is threatening this:

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$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X 2 X O X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X O 3 1 4 O O . . . X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

...and he is ahead, 3 liberties to 2.

Playing M2 is no good:

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$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X 6 X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X 8 X O X 5 3 . 4 X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . 7 O O 2 9 1 X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So I go with the one line remaining.

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Offline Magicwand
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Post #166 Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2016 7:33 pm 
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$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O . . . . . . . 2 . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . X O X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . 4 O 3 . . 5 X O . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Joaz Banbeck
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Post #167 Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2016 8:59 pm 
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$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O . . . . . . . 2 . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . X O X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . 4 O 3 . . 5 X O . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

In for the proverbial penny...

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Offline Magicwand
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Post #168 Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2016 10:23 pm 
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$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O . . . 7 . . . 2 . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . X O X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . 4 O 3 . . 5 X O . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
i can not let him do everything his way.... i dont mind giving up corner for some big sente and flow.

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Offline Joaz Banbeck
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Post #169 Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 8:10 am 
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@Observers:
The natural play at M5 leads to traps.

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: :black:
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O . . 1 O . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X 3 X . 4 . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . X O X 2 . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



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$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . O 4 X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O . . X O . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X X X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . X O X O 2 1 3 X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So I have to consider this:

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$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O . . X O . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X X X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . X O X O . . 1 X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Joaz Banbeck
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Post #170 Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 6:11 pm 
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Sorry for the second delay. I had to give western civilization a booster shot.

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O . . 8 7 . . . 2 . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . X O X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . 4 O 3 . . 5 X O . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Anything less is too submissive.

This is going to be bloody fighting pretty soon.

I suppose that he realizes that I can kill his corner with S4. So I conclude that he is willing to trade it for...ummm...for...
well...I don't see where he is going with this.

It seems that the best that he may get is a one-eyed group running for the eastern edge while I kill his corner.

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Post #171 Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 6:44 pm 
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$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O . . 8 7 . . . 2 . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . X O X . 9 . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . 4 O 3 . . 5 X O . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i think white looks good. :)

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Post #172 Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 10:45 pm 
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$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O . . 8 7 . . . 2 . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . X O X . 9 . 0 X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . 4 O 3 . . 5 X O . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The solid connection is the only possibility. Playing the tiger's mouth one point to the left allows him to trap the M4 group.

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . O 1 X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O . . X O . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #174 Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 7:38 am 
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$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . O 1 X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O . . X O . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X . X 2 . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . O 1 X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O . . X O 3 . . X . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X . X 2 4 . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #175 Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 8:13 am 
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About a week ago, Joaz Banbeck wrote:
... ( Why did he not play J2 first?? It is an extra liberty in sente. )...

I think that MW may have overlooked this line. We are now in this position:

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$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O . . X O . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X . X X . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . X W X . W . X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . X W W . . W X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

...and the marked stones are dead, even if white plays first.

However, with one move different, they are threatening to live:

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: :black:
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O . . X O . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X 2 X X . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X B X O X 1 O . X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X O .X W O O . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If MW had played J2, we would now have this position as a possibility, so after the right side is resolved, I would still have to come back and make a gote move.

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Post #176 Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 10:48 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . O 1 X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O . . X O . . . X 3 . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X . X 2 . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #177 Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 11:06 am 
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Joaz Banbeck wrote:
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$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O . . 8 7 . . . 2 . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . X O X . 9 . 0 X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . 4 O 3 . . 5 X O . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The solid connection is the only possibility. Playing the tiger's mouth one point to the left allows him to trap the M4 group.

I'm curious: what would have happened if B played O4 instead of the solid connection?

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . O 1 X . . . . 4 . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O . . X O . . . X 3 . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X . X 2 . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This is a threat to kill.

He can back up like this if he wants to live:

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[go]$$Wcm91 Prisoners: :black:
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . O 1 X . . . C 4 . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O . . X O . . . X 3 . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X . X 2 . . X . 5 . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

...leaving one cutting point at the circled point.

But he cannot try to leave me with two cutting points...
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$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . O 1 X . . . . 4 . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O . . X O . . . X 3 8 |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X . X 2 . . X 5 6 . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O 7 . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

...and white cannot live, even if he moves first.

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$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . . . . |
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The hane at M9 is worse than the cut at R6 or the clamp at S7.

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