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#263 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck http://www.lifein19x19.com/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=13419 |
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Author: | Joaz Banbeck [ Wed Jul 27, 2016 6:47 pm ] |
Post subject: | #263 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck |
Greetings all, and welcome to our game. My honorable opponent is Magicwand. The handicap is 3 stones.
Your move MW, HF & GG. -JB |
Author: | Kirby [ Wed Jul 27, 2016 8:05 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #263 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck |
Good luck, and may your game be finished before 2020 |
Author: | EdLee [ Thu Jul 28, 2016 12:09 am ] |
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Have fun. ( Yes, AlphaGo threw a few customs out the window, yada, yada, yada. ) Customarily, W's POV:
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Author: | Magicwand [ Thu Jul 28, 2016 4:58 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #263 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck |
Joaz you can use whatever reading material you want. I have been training myself on handycap game lately. I know it will not be easy but final result will be my win. I have selected 5-4 to make my opponent uncomfortable from the start. |
Author: | Joaz Banbeck [ Thu Jul 28, 2016 6:17 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #263 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck |
@Observers: My opponent starts with a high, influence-oriented move. When I look just at the corner, my natural reaction is to play joseki and invade at 'a' or maybe 'b'.
However, I recall that Nagahara, in his book entitled 'Handicap Go', says that in the opening, black's should look to maintain his lead in influence. Fortunately, Magicwand has conceded open book to me, so I can quote Nagahara directly. He says that black's main goal should be "dominance in the center". He goes on to say that "Turning influence into territory is the problem of the middle game." So let that advice be the initial framework upon which I shall hang my strategy: contest him on influence...nay...dominate him on influence. Territory shall be a secondary goal. Alas, Nagahara does not say exactly how to tell when the importance of those two goals has reversed. I guess that I will have to figure that out on the fly. But, for now, I shall play the most influence-oriented move possible: tengen! |
Author: | Magicwand [ Thu Jul 28, 2016 7:10 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #263 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck |
i tried to make him think and he did same thing on me.... after some serious thinking i went to the most played move here are some other choices i had to fight with.
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Author: | Joaz Banbeck [ Thu Jul 28, 2016 8:08 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #263 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck |
Playing this without comment so that MW can see it before bedtime on the east coast. |
Author: | Joaz Banbeck [ Thu Jul 28, 2016 8:21 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #263 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck |
Joaz Banbeck wrote: ... Playing this without comment so that MW can see it before bedtime on the east coast. Now that MW can look, I'll take time to write. By far the most common reply to the high approach is the one-space jump. ( Dailyjoseki lists it at 55% ) The next most common moves do not look good: The second ( at about 9% ) is this:
...which needlessly leads to tactical complications wherein MW's superior fighting skill would hold sway. The third most common ( at about 8% ) is to tenuki. Again, MW could then start a fight with a double approach, with results at least as risky as the second option. The fourth most common is the low extension:
Which, although safe, does not work for influence and is thus thematically unappealing. |
Author: | Joaz Banbeck [ Thu Jul 28, 2016 8:24 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #263 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck |
@MW: Please feel free to use any or all of the following diagram as a trigger.
The most common joseki is the attachment at , after which the next three moves are essentially forced. |
Author: | Magicwand [ Thu Jul 28, 2016 9:24 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #263 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck |
his trigger will be better for black because my stone gets heavy. one stone = aji two stone = target. <---make sure you learn them |
Author: | Magicwand [ Thu Jul 28, 2016 9:48 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #263 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck |
for OBS what i believe black's best move (after that move his winning percentage 65%) <---deep learning calculation
The game will be decided on fighting. as long as i play right moves i will have my chance. i will open wide at "a" so he has to come in and provide me with target. If he doesnt have any weak stones i will lose for sure. |
Author: | EdLee [ Fri Jul 29, 2016 12:58 am ] |
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Magicwand wrote: one stone = aji two stone = target. <---make sure you learn them one stone: could also be a target;two stones: could also be strength Depends on the board ?
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Author: | EdLee [ Fri Jul 29, 2016 1:01 am ] |
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Magicwand: Magicwand wrote: <---deep learning calculation What is deep learning calculation,and does/should Joaz know about this ? |
Author: | Joaz Banbeck [ Fri Jul 29, 2016 7:36 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: #263 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck |
For observers: Nagahara also says that black should try to connect his handicap stones by running out into the center. The only other reasonable alternative was this:
...but it looks slow compared to the tobi. |
Author: | Magicwand [ Fri Jul 29, 2016 11:44 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: #263 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck |
C6 knight approach. I will comment at home |
Author: | Joaz Banbeck [ Fri Jul 29, 2016 1:31 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #263 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck |
Magicwand wrote: C6 ...
A move on the third rank! He blinked first!! I'm going to win!! Bwahahaha! |
Author: | Joaz Banbeck [ Fri Jul 29, 2016 2:37 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #263 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck |
Letting him have this move for himself makes life too easy for him. Like this:
Joseki is something like 'a' or 'b', but I can't play it because of his D12 stone. Or this: Letting him have this move for himself makes life too easy for him. Like this:
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Author: | Magicwand [ Fri Jul 29, 2016 3:24 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #263 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck |
G12 |
Author: | Magicwand [ Fri Jul 29, 2016 5:39 pm ] |
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Author: | Magicwand [ Fri Jul 29, 2016 5:51 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #263 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck |
For Obs: one space jump is too slow... i guess that is what my opponent expected from me. This is miai a or b. Either way i will have something. My opponent will be attacking one stone which is aji.
if he decide to cover his top then next miai will be as a or b as below.
I love way he invade between my influence. his winning percentage went down to 59% according to alphago. |
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