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Post #101 Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 7:18 pm 
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Post #102 Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 7:41 pm 
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i think i saw something like this before.
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[go]$$Wcm51
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X 2 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X 3 X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . 4 5 6 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I dont like my board position. I talk alot when i am winning.
this game is not one of them. :(

Black can not cut me off. see below.
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[go]$$Wcm51
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 4 3 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O 1 2 6 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . 7 X 5 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X 8 9 X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #103 Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 7:49 pm 
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There are at least two ways to complete my connection outward.

This:

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[go]$$Wcm51
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X 2 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

or this:

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[go]$$Wcm51
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The second one gives me more influence eastward:

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[go]$$Wcm51
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O 2 . ? ? . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X X . ? ? . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


However, there is one other possibility. You all may think that I am crazy, but I am considering this:

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[go]$$Wcm51
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . 2 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I have to do a lot of thinking before I play that one. :cool:

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Post #104 Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 9:34 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm51
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I was considering this:

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[go]$$Wcm51
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X X . . 3 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . 2 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

But it turns out to be the wrong direction. If I push him in one direction or the other, I want it to be toward my strong stones, not my weaker ones. IOW, eastward, not northward.

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Post #105 Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 10:08 pm 
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OGS: magicwand
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[go]$$Wcm51
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X 3 X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . 4 5 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
as i planned before

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Post #106 Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 8:16 am 
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Let's just go this far:

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[go]$$Wcm51
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X 3 X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . C . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Nagahara says that all of my groups should strive to meet in the middle.
It solves many life and death issues for black and creates some for white.

In particular, if I play 54 like this:

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[go]$$Wcm51
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O 4 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X 3 X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Then - I think - B11 kills:

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[go]$$Wcm51
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 O O . . O 4 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 8 . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X 3 X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . 5 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I have to do some serious thinking about this.


I'll probably post in a day or two.

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Post #107 Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2016 8:57 am 
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm51
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O 4 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X 3 X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


According to my reading, If he tenukis to the lower side, B11 kills in all variations.

Even if it doesn't I was not happy with all of the bad aji on the lower side:

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[go]$$Wcm51
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O C O C 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X 3 X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . 4 5 6 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

There are all kinds of traps here, for black has only two spare liberties at the circled points.

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Post #108 Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2016 9:56 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O 4 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X 3 X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
now he is going to answer j3?

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Post #109 Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2016 10:43 am 
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he let me connect.. he could have played my 55 instead.
now i am connected and dont have anything to worry.

after so many exchange... black didn't do much.
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O 4 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X 3 X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #110 Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2016 11:58 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O 4 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X 3 X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . 6 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Wow, that was fast!

I offered a major exchange, and he turned it down with less than an hour's contemplation. Does MW analyze that fast? If so, I'm impressed.

Or is he simply making his own groups safe and assuming that sooner or later I will make a mistake and the game can be won by killing one of my groups?

I'm going to play the next few moves on the assumption that the second proposition is true and that the first might be. IOW, I'm going to secure the lower side, even at the expense of some hideous aji.

The game looks rather good for me. I'm ahead in territory; I'm way ahead in influence; I have no weak groups. The only area in which he will be ahead is ko threats.

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O 4 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X 3 X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . 6 7 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #112 Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2016 1:57 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O 4 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X 3 X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . 6 7 8 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


He sacrifices a stone - probably two with his next move - to make it easier for his bamboo stick to get out. At the same time, he is probably hoping to reinvigorate the dead stones at F2/F3. It is going to be tight, with both my G4 group and my C2 group being targeted.
Fortunately for me, I can stay one step ahead of the wolves.

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[go]$$W var 1
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O 6 7 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X 5 . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X 4 X O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . 3 1 2 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$W var 2
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O 6 7 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X 5 . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . X O X 4 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . 2 1 3 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]

Thus the tiger's mouth :b60: in the game.

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O 4 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X 3 X . 0 . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . 6 7 8 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . 9 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O . 3 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X 4 X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X 2 X O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . 1 O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O 1 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . X O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Black bottom need to play another move soon..
Aji stinks.
i am weak on top so i can not play now. but soon i will
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X 8 X O X 6 5 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O 0 7 9 O 1 2 3 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . . |
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Joaz Banbeck wrote:
... I can stay one step ahead of the wolves...


Hmmm...apparently the wolves agree.

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[go]$$W from MW's var; waiting...
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O W . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . O 1 . . 3 . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X O X 2 X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X X X O X X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O X O O O O X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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A few moves back, I noted that it was better to push his eyeless middle group eastward along my strong lower group, and away from my weaker group. But now the relative strengths have changed, and so has the consequent direction of play. My middle group is much safer now after H12, and it is my lower group that can be harassed because of its bad aji.

So I push him upward.

As the proverb goes, make territory while attacking. He will almost certainly live, but while chasing him I will be staking out territory in the lower right corner.

It also threatens to cut off his two center stones
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My stone is light, and if he really wants to go eastward, he will kill it, but while he does so, I will be staking out large territory.

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Post #120 Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2016 6:57 pm 
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he didnt need to play such move...
playing too close to fire will eventually burn him.

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