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 Post subject: Re: #263 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Post #61 Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 11:58 pm 
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$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 4 . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 . X . X . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Ah, now I see: he is trying to steal the corner while I am preoccupied with running out into the middle. I'll renew the D6 threat and contest the corner.

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Post #62 Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 2:42 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 4 . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 . X . X . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #63 Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 2:40 pm 
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obs:
nothing going as i expected. :(

i think i will be ok...
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 9 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O 6 O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 4 7 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 8 X . X . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #64 Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 6:40 pm 
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i think i dont have life....
i will wait till he move and draw my variantions.

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Post #65 Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2016 4:32 pm 
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The alligators and Magicwand are conspiring against me!

A small problem popped up in my business, and I'm slowly taking care of it, but it will be another day before the alligators are down to knee-level. At the same time, Magicwand makes a move that compels me to make some serious positional judgements.
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So it may be another day or two before I make a move.

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Post #66 Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 12:23 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O 6 O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 4 . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 . X . X . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


@Obs:
After lots of analysis, it looks like white disconnected is better for me than white connected.


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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O 6 O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 4 7 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 8 X . X . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #67 Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 2:40 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 9 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O 6 O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 4 7 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 8 X . X . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #68 Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 7:08 pm 
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I dont like my position and if i dont put any hide comment he may sense my weakness. :(
this comment is to pretend that i have answer for current position...

and another empty comment

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Post #69 Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 7:56 pm 
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Magicwand wrote:
I dont like my position and if i dont put any hide comment he may sense my weakness. :(
this comment is to pretend that i have answer for current position...

and another empty comment


This is why I love following Magicwand's Malkovich games. :D

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Post #70 Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 11:51 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 0 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 9 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O 6 O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 4 7 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 8 X . X . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm rather happy with my game so far. I truly do not understand why MW let me separate him. The result looks good for me.

I'm ahead in territory. His lower left group ( which lives, BTW, despite whatever attempts I make to kill it ) gets him maybe 10 points. My lower side is easily twice that.

He has two weak groups with slight prospect of making eyes. I have one. As long as mine is at least as safe as the worst one of his, I can be happy with it.

My general goal will be to run with my D6/D7/D9/D10 stones out into the center. I might take time out from that goal to harass his lower left group.

My most immediate sub-goal will be to keep those four stones connected. I can't let him play D8 unopposed.

There are three reasonable ways to connect:

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . a b . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X c . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


After some consideration, it looks like the best is 'b', as it works in both directions: it prepares to move eastward, splitting white's groups, and it prepares to attack westward.

Initially, the westward attack does not look too dangerous, but it actually kills in all lines that I can see:

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 . 1 . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 9 8 O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 4 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . 6 4 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 2 X 3 X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 1 5 O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 8 O X X . X . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 7 O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Next, I expect that he will defend his lower left corner and I will move out with something around F8 or G8.

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Wonder if the turn :b1: is better -- affects W's liberties,
and to get out faster; also :black: (a) --
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . a . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
:w2: seems strange...?
Joaz Banbeck wrote:
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$$ -----------------------------------------
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 . 1 . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 9 8 O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 4 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . b . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . 2 . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Post #72 Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 1:06 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 1 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
My blank comment worked!!!
I have dodged the bullet.
below was what is was afrid of. white have no chance of life.
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . 2 . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 B . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 6 . O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 3 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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two empty hide tags?? :)

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Post #73 Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 1:18 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 1 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The hane at C3 would really hurt, especially since there is a gap at E4.

This exchange strengthens both of us. It helps secure 2nd and 3rd rank territory for him, and helps secure 4th rank territory for me. I can live with that.

He still has to make a gote move somewhere on the side, else B8 by me kills him. This is fortunate for me, because if he could tenuki from his vulnerable group, he could play F8 and my D group would be locked in and struggling for life. I don't want to be responsible for one of those slimy Coleridgian groups. I want my group running toward the center.

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Joaz Banbeck wrote:
He still has to make a gote move somewhere on the side
Hmm...
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . 1 . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

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Yes.
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JB:
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The hane at C3 would really hurt,
Typo ? C2 ?

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Can you show how white could have lived if you'd played C8 for 30?

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Post #78 Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 5:24 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 1 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
he will jump out to F8 on next move and
after below sequence...i am looking to attack a. that point lookin good for white.
i can't see good black answer for that attack.
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . a . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 . X . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X 5 X . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 1 X . 6 7 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 . 0 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X 4 . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . 3 X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 1 O O X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
Hmm...
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$$ -----------------------------------------
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . 3 X X O X 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 1 O O X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #80 Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 3:08 am 
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Joaz Banbeck wrote:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X 4 . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . 3 X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 1 O O X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
Hmm...
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . 3 X X O X 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 1 O O X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


Is that such a big difference? your 4 seems to capture a tad more firmly but both moves work for white, right?


@joaz:

does your answer mean you misread jeromies post or does it mean, you did not consider c8(as suggested by him), but only b8 or both?

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