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Post #81 Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 3:12 am 
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Good question, isn't it.
The direct atari gives B a chance later to run 1 stone.
Curious to know the preference from pros/AlphaGo. :)
Mr. Kageyama said something related to this in his book...

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Post #82 Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 3:49 pm 
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Can you show how white could have lived if you'd played C8 for 30?


I think I'll take the fifth on that one.


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[go]$$Wcm31
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 1 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


My previously announced plan was to run into the middle by playing F8:

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[go]$$Wcm31
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 . X . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 1 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

But his most effective attacks always used F9. So I'm going to take it myself.

Yes, it does allow him to push through, but I can then play F7, and it works because of his weaknesses at F6 and G5:

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[go]$$Wcm31
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X 5 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O x O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . x . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 1 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

So one way or another, I get out. And I separate his two eyeless groups when I do. :twisted:

Just as an example, here is one amusing sequence from my analysis:

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[go]$$Wcm1 Black 2 at G4 is solid, but too slow
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O 1 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X 3 X . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm1 White wants to play F2, but never has time
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O 5 O 7 O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X 2 X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X 4 X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . 3 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Black is connected.

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Post #84 Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 1:37 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm31
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X 5 X . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 1 X . 6 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
If he doesnt play such illogical moves he would be strong as Magicwand :)
I think i can cut his group. I will post variations later.

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Post #85 Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 2:21 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm31
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X 5 X . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 1 X . 6 7 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


He presumably thinks that he is attacking. I think that he is playing aji-keshi.

One of us has mis-read. :scratch:

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Post #86 Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 2:25 pm 
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F2 extend

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[go]$$Wcm31
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X 5 X . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 1 X . 6 7 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #87 Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 2:33 pm 
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F2 extend


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[go]$$Wcm31
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X 5 X . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 1 X . 6 7 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 . 0 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Somebody has indeed mis-read. Either he will crush me in a few moves with a tesuji that I cannot imagine, or this is extensive aji-keshi.

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J9 peep
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[go]$$Wcm41
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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J9...


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[go]$$Wcm41
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #90 Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 3:42 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm41
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
his last move is weak and wrong. exactly what i expected from my opponent. connecting was correct move.
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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X 1 X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X 6 5 7 9 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . 2 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X 4 X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #91 Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 4:41 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


My opponent's last move seems small, and in the wrong direction. I think this is the proper direction of play.

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Post #92 Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 4:56 pm 
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Not sure about direction, but does white aim for a future cut?

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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X W X . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . W . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X B X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #93 Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 4:59 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #94 Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 6:26 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X 6 X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So the attack begins. MW has spent a lot preparing for this. I don't see how he will recoup his investment.

I didn't have a chance to describe the reasons for my last move. I'll do so now.
It seems a total tenuki at first - and it does improve my chances on the upper side - but it is loosely affecting the impending fight in the middle left.

There are some sequences in which white can sacrifice his cutting stone at D5, and isolate my center stones:

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . B . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . B . . B . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X 1 B . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X 3 5 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X 4 2 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O 8 O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Now if he wants to attack them, he has to create a weak new group of his own:

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 4 3 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O 1 2 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . B . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . B . . B . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O B . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #95 Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 6:31 pm 
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E9
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[go]$$Wcm41
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X 7 X . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X 6 X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #96 Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 6:45 pm 
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Magicwand wrote:
E9


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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X 7 X . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X 6 X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


In my previous comment I mentioned this sequence:

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X 1 X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X 3 5 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X 4 2 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O 8 O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It is my current favorite, but this is also possible:

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X 1 X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X 3 5 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X 4 2 6 8 0 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . 9 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #97 Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 6:50 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X 7 X . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X 6 X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
i think he has a way out :(

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Post #98 Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 6:51 pm 
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Joaz hasn't considered the wedge. This will be interesting.

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Post #99 Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 6:58 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm41
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X 7 X . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . 8 0 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X 6 X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


One of the many lines that appears to work for me. I do hope that my analysis was correct.


He is burning a lot of aji here. Once I do indeed get out, B11 becomes interesting.

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Post #100 Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 7:15 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm51
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . O . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

almost... but no cigar..
i will wait for next chance...


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