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Author: | ThetaHat [ Sat Jan 07, 2017 1:57 am ] |
Post subject: | #265 dfan vs ThetaHat |
dfan vs ThetaHat I am currently 2k on OGS and dfan is 3k AGA. Rules: even game, 7.5 komi, closed book dfan, odd or even? :white: |
Author: | dfan [ Sat Jan 07, 2017 6:04 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: #265 dfan vs ThetaHat |
Odd! |
Author: | ThetaHat [ Sat Jan 07, 2017 7:30 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: #265 dfan vs ThetaHat |
I am gonna take black then. Have a good game!
Thinking about playing the orthodox/low chinese. Let's see what white does first. |
Author: | dfan [ Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:32 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: #265 dfan vs ThetaHat |
Thanks, have a good game too!
I'm still not really experienced enough to have a regular plan at this point, so we'll just see what happens. |
Author: | ThetaHat [ Sat Jan 07, 2017 6:35 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #265 dfan vs ThetaHat |
If he takes a star point, I am gonna play the orthodox. I am not familiar with the mini/micro chinese formation.
If he plays a 3-4, I will play the low approach. I have been studying the josekis for the low approach for a while. I wanna try it.
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Author: | dfan [ Sat Jan 07, 2017 7:31 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #265 dfan vs ThetaHat |
Some local compatriots have formed a single-digit-kyu study group, and we've been looking at the Orthodox opening recently (in which Black follows up with a knight's-move enclosure in the lower right). So I'll give him a chance to do that so I can try to apply or extend my knowledge. |
Author: | ThetaHat [ Sat Jan 07, 2017 8:33 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #265 dfan vs ThetaHat |
Just go with my plan. |
Author: | dfan [ Sun Jan 08, 2017 5:49 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: #265 dfan vs ThetaHat |
OK, he continued as I invited him to. I'm continuing to play the standard moves even though usually I like to mix things up early in order to get more practice with this opening my friends and I have been studying. Things will probably go off the rails soon enough. |
Author: | ThetaHat [ Sun Jan 08, 2017 6:23 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: #265 dfan vs ThetaHat |
I don't know whether I should push the white stone at a or b, so I am gonna approach an open corner first and decides later depending on what white does.
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Author: | dfan [ Sun Jan 08, 2017 7:21 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: #265 dfan vs ThetaHat |
Playing a bit by the seat of my pants, as I usually do in the opening. My "style", such as it is, tends to be influenced a bit by Crazy Stone, since I analyze all my games with it, and it generally likes this pincer in this sort of situation. I only know a few of the resulting joseki, but if we end up in something I'm unfamiliar with, I'll learn something. |
Author: | ThetaHat [ Sun Jan 08, 2017 9:33 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: #265 dfan vs ThetaHat |
This is the most common reply I guess. |
Author: | dfan [ Sun Jan 08, 2017 3:58 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #265 dfan vs ThetaHat |
This is a popular continuation these days, and I've been trying it out because Crazy Stone is always suggesting it. I'm only familiar with a couple of followups, though (hane underneath and hane on top). Ideally Black gets a small corner and I get pretty nice side positions. |
Author: | ThetaHat [ Mon Jan 09, 2017 7:03 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: #265 dfan vs ThetaHat |
The ladder works for me.
But I don't like white getting this approach. I can't pincer because white already has an extension. If I just jump white may just invade the 3-3 immediately. The top feels too narrow.
But I can push the white stone first before I come back to capture that one stone.
Alternatively, I can play the most common one, take sente and then take three corners.
White may not follow joseki but choose to approach my corner immediately to prevent that though.
Another possible variation is this but I am not familiar the whole sequence
So it looks like the first joseki is the best. |
Author: | dfan [ Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:48 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: #265 dfan vs ThetaHat |
Cool, this is new to me, so I'll learn something. I looked at what would happen if I haned above or below in the corner and we both followed the "usual" joseki without the added exchange, and in neither case did I think that the exchange benefited me. So this is the clear next try. I don't want to do too much reading because it usually becomes irrelevant very quickly, but here's one idea:
I'm not sure if I like White better in that position, but I feel like I'm supposed to. Clearly I should also look at cutting with . |
Author: | ThetaHat [ Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:23 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: #265 dfan vs ThetaHat |
This variation looks good for me.
The ladder works for me.
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Author: | dfan [ Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:01 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: #265 dfan vs ThetaHat |
I backed off of my previous plan because I didn't like the looks of this:
If Black extends to the right, my previous stone should be able to help my two stones escape, especially since Black has to look after his corner. A couple of examples:
(I don't think I can get away with playing at a because of b), and
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Author: | ThetaHat [ Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:07 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #265 dfan vs ThetaHat |
Without the two marked stones, this is a joseki but as I recall the result is good for black especially if white doesn't have the ladder
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Author: | dfan [ Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:13 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #265 dfan vs ThetaHat |
Very embarrassingly, I didn't look at that move. Maybe I should have descended last move? I really should have looked at it, as it is a classic example of what I call the "bear hug":
which is extremely powerful, especially near the edge of the board. I looked at a lot of variations and came to the conclusion that I just can't let Black have this cut:
so I have to play there first, and do so in a forcing way so he doesn't just capture my two stones in a ladder. My principal variation is
which I don't like very much but I can't find anything better, and I've spent long enough looking at it. At least his stones in the middle are potentially weak, though it's not like I have a lot of strength myself. |
Author: | ThetaHat [ Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:08 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #265 dfan vs ThetaHat |
Obviously I can't let that stone die. It's too good for white to get a ponnuki on the outside. If white plays like this, can I hane here to go for a kill?
I have to find a way to save the marked group
This ko looks dangerous for me...White takes first and I don't have any threats
This doesn't work either
So I have to extend here to let white live. I'm fine with white crawling on the 2nd line.
But white may fight like this?
This looks like something is going to die.
Probably the best move for white is the hane? But white still needs to crawl a few times to make life plus the four stones on the left are very weak and heavy.
Maybe I can make a crosscut here...Looks like white collapses this way
The ladder works for me
Anyway, I have to save that one stone. Let's see what white does first. |
Author: | dfan [ Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:28 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: #265 dfan vs ThetaHat |
As planned. What beautiful shape! This is the only way I could find to have my two stones not get captured or ridiculously squeezed. |
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