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#68 Redundant vs Loons, 9x9
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Author:  Loons [ Mon Aug 16, 2010 11:09 pm ]
Post subject:  #68 Redundant vs Loons, 9x9
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[go]$$B
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$$ | . . . . . . B . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +-------------------+[/go]


I never played on 9x9 while learning (learned playing 19x19 on IGS...), started recently, enjoying it a whole lot. I don't know any 9x9 specific theory - I'm just going to aim for accuracy and complexity in my reading this game...

Good luck Redundant. Also, how's Japan treating you ?
Author:  Redundant [ Tue Aug 17, 2010 10:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: #68 Redundant 3k vs Loons 3k, 9x9
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[go]$$B
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$$ | . . W . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ +-------------------+[/go]

I`m not really good at 9x9 strategy, so I`ll just go with mirror go for this move. I`ll decide when to deviate later.


I too never played on a 9x9 while learning. I just started recently, and I play much weaker on the 9x9 board, because it`s all tactics and endgame. It`s definitely a totally different beast than the 19x19.

Japan has been amazing. I got to play a 1k at the Ki-in and beat him pretty well. I also managed to pick up some tsumego book that`s very interesting. On a non-Go front, Kyoto had awesome temples, and the Obon festival was amazing.
Author:  schultz [ Wed Aug 18, 2010 1:42 am ]
Post subject:  Re: #68 Redundant 3k vs Loons 3k, 9x9
Good luck to both of you!

It will be interesting following a smaller game like this.
Author:  cdybeijing [ Wed Aug 18, 2010 3:54 am ]
Post subject:  Re: #68 Redundant 3k vs Loons 3k, 9x9
What's komi?
Author:  Numsgil [ Wed Aug 18, 2010 9:33 am ]
Post subject:  Re: #68 Redundant 3k vs Loons 3k, 9x9
cdybeijing wrote:
What's komi?


A point handicap white usually gets to compensate for black's initial sente. But that's not important right now. (if the reference escapes you)
Author:  hyperpape [ Wed Aug 18, 2010 9:40 am ]
Post subject:  Re: #68 Redundant 3k vs Loons 3k, 9x9
I think they meant to ask what the value of komi is...
Author:  Loons [ Wed Aug 18, 2010 1:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: #68 Redundant 3k vs Loons 3k, 9x9
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[go]$$B
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . , . , . , . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . , . , . , . . |
$$ | . . B . . . X . . |
$$ | . . , . , . , . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ +-------------------+[/go]


Again, I'm a little new to this -
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[go]$$B
$$ +-------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . , . d . f . . |
$$ | . . O . . . c . . |
$$ | . . , b , . , . . |
$$ | . . B . a . X . . |
$$ | . . , . e . , . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +-------------------+[/go]

The general starting dynamic I've been using is to build a position on the lower side, then dodge into their side with an aim of the game becoming close. Anyway, if white a, I'll b (shape). If white c, I'll probably d. If e, I'll a. If white f, I think I'll still d. If <contact play> I'll nobi if it's "above" me to get some eyes starting to happen, or hane if it's below me.


Oh, I believe we're using New Zealand Rules.
Essentially superko (no repeated board positions), komi=7, area scoring. (The superko rule stops single stone suicide, but not multiple stone suicide. Komi being a whole number, ties are possible.)
Author:  emeraldemon [ Thu Aug 19, 2010 7:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: #68 Redundant 3k vs Loons 3k, 9x9
My sealed move:


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[go]$$B
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . , . W . , . . |
$$ | . . B . . . B . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +-------------------+[/go]
Author:  Redundant [ Sat Aug 21, 2010 4:40 am ]
Post subject:  Re: #68 Redundant 3k vs Loons 3k, 9x9
I'll post a move after I'm over my jet lag.
Author:  Redundant [ Thu Sep 02, 2010 8:24 am ]
Post subject:  Re: #68 Redundant 3k vs Loons 3k, 9x9
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[go]$$W
$$ +-------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . , . , . , . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . , . , . , . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . , . W . , . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +-------------------+[/go]

My gut is telling me that I can't allow black to simply divide the board between us. That way, black's first move advantage is very difficult to overcome.

I do feel like this may be an overplay. He might be able to let me live small, and then kill my other stone. But this is a risk I'm willing to take (also, this way the game is more fun!).
Author:  Aphelion [ Thu Sep 02, 2010 9:08 am ]
Post subject:  Re: #68 Redundant 3k vs Loons 3k, 9x9
To Redundant:
White gets a gigantic 7 point komi though, do you feel that playing a calm game still favors Black in this situation?
Author:  Redundant [ Thu Sep 02, 2010 9:56 am ]
Post subject:  Re: #68 Redundant 3k vs Loons 3k, 9x9
To Aphelion:
The problem (for me, at least) is that if you don't play aggressively as white, you need to have very good endgame skills, because the endgame will start at move five, and black has sente. It takes better endgame than I'm capable of to keep the game close enough to win on komi.
Author:  Loons [ Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: #68 Redundant 3k vs Loons 3k, 9x9
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[go]$$W
$$ +-------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . , . , . , . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . , . , . , . . |
$$ | . . X . B . X . . |
$$ | . . , . O . , . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +-------------------+[/go]


Would you like to restart ?

(I gotta distract you so I can win that ko somehow)

Edit: Oh, you broke the ko somehow already. Are you alive there already? Dead ? Are we just moving on to a different ko ? ???????


Also; if I am in a Malkovich game with you (Shaddy, MW) I resign if I haven't mentioned it to you already).
Author:  Redundant [ Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: #68 Redundant 3k vs Loons 3k, 9x9
I have no idea what I was thinking with my last move ... but here goes nothing :)

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[go]$$W
$$ +-------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . , . , . , . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . , . , . , . . |
$$ | . . X . X W X . . |
$$ | . . , . O . , . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +-------------------+[/go]

I could probably live on the bottom, but the thickness would really mess with my top stone. That may still happen, but now we're going to go down in flames :D
Author:  Loons [ Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: #68 Redundant 3k vs Loons 3k, 9x9
I did mean would you like to restart from nigiri onwards if you're keen ?
Author:  Jedo [ Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: #68 Redundant vs Loons, 9x9
Redundant, what were you doing in Kyoto and what was it like, especially in terms of go? I ask because I'm studying abroad there next spring.
Author:  Redundant [ Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: #68 Redundant 3k vs Loons 3k, 9x9
Loons wrote:
I did mean would you like to restart from nigiri onwards if you're keen ?


Sounds good. I think I've gotten a good deal better at 9x9 in the time since this game started.

Jedo wrote:
Redundant, what were you doing in Kyoto and what was it like, especially in terms of go? I ask because I'm studying abroad there next spring.


I didn't have the time to do any go playing in Kyoto, but it was awesome. The temples are amazing, and the whole city is just beautiful. My only advice is to not go in August, as the heat is almost unbearable.
Author:  Loons [ Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: #68 Redundant vs Loons, 9x9
Let's get some nigiri happening.

(I am hiding either odd or even);

So even.

If I won I take white.
Author:  Redundant [ Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: #68 Redundant vs Loons, 9x9
5?
Author:  Redundant [ Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: #68 Redundant vs Loons, 9x9
So I'm black, then:

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[go]$$B
$$ +-------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . , . , . , . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . , . 1 . , . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . , . , . , . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +-------------------+[/go]

I've been playing a lot of OGS 9x9 games. As black, I play the center. If my opponent one space approaches or knights move approaches, I then attach. I basically try to seal in white and then kill when they try to live on the outside.
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