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 Post subject: #244 Bill vs Ed
Post #1 Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:56 pm 
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Naming etiquette Black vs White, right? And I think this is the proper way to set 6 stones. I hope that I give you some entertainment value! In advance, thanks for giving me this lesson. :D

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Boo! Scared you, right? Now my strategy is to give up all four corners while I connect my stones. What's that saying about 4-corners? Used to be something about passing the ball around till time runs out? Ah, here's my Go plan:
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Post #2 Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 5:26 pm 
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Hi Bill, Have a nice game.
( I dunno the naming etiquette; it's always confusing for me. :)
For 2, 4, 5, and 6 stones, the shapes are similar to those
on a standard 6-sided die. 1 and 3 are the exceptions.
A quick image search returns interesting dot patterns for various dice. :) )
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Post #3 Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 6:50 pm 
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I thought the standard was white vs. black, but I may be mistaken.

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Post #4 Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 7:29 pm 
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Biggest point. Not being aggressive, I'll just wait to see how Ed intends to whittle me down. If he approaches either top stone from the top, I'll probably extend down. If he approaches my top stones from below, I'll probably pincer and be willing to give up all of the top if it means securing the bottom two-thirds. This idea might be my first mistake!

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Post #6 Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 7:58 pm 
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I'm watching the end of TNF and will be going to bed, so no need to hurry on my account!

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I really can't resist kicking when he doesn't have a two-space extension. Plus I want to play somewhat more aggressively on the bottom now. If he makes the usual extend up, I'll probably play somewhere above (left or right, I'm really getting very sleepy) my handicap stone.

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Post #8 Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 8:35 pm 
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Sorry, Thursday Night Football. My indulgence in vicarious, cathartic violence. ;-) The football game just ended, I finished my Sleepytime tea, bedded my dogs down for the night, and am joining my wife in bed. Good night!

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Not a move I would normally make, but I think that it's good with my handicap stones. Hopefully, after the game Bill the Wise (trademark pending) will tell me some of the nuances of this position! :D

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Post #10 Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 5:53 am 
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Good morning, Ed. I probably shouldn't post before my coffee finishes perking! :)

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My candidate moves included C4, C5 and C6 to block the left side, E2 to try and keep Ed's stones separated, and F5 hitting on the head of two stones. F5 looked good to me at first but after sipping some coffee, I got worried about E4 cutting me apart (maybe that kick stone should be sacrificed, though). Other than a very fleeting thought to tenuki, I didn't consider any other candidate moves. Of course, now it looks like I'm giving up the corner and half the bottom!

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Post #11 Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 8:24 am 
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With coordinates. :)

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Post #12 Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 9:55 am 
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Thanks for fixing the board, Bill!

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Hi Bill, enjoy your coffee. I'm thinking of getting a cup of McCoffee myself. :)
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Post #14 Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 11:09 am 
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:b6: is unusual. If now :b10:, in the end Black has a weak point at :ec: for White to exploit.

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Post #15 Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 11:43 am 
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My power is restored (see my journal for my boring, self-centered story; hopefully, no one was really affected). Between grading papers and writing a test, I should be around all afternoon now, Ed. But take as much time as you like. :)

I want to play at N3, but putting move 10 there messes up the board (putting a White stone there and adding my move 10 to the right). Is there a special code to go past move 9, or should I renumber moves after 9. Sorry for my ignorance! :oops:

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Continuing my global plan of giving up the first attacked corner in exchange for moves elsewhere, especially if I can get out to the center to connect my handicap stones.This may not be the best direction, though. I also thought about playing G17, but was worried about getting at the bottom.

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Post #16 Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 11:48 am 
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Here are two ways to do it.

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[go]$$Bcm10
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Hi Bill A.,
The move numbers are limited to only one digit in a diagram,
and the "10th" move is denoted by the digit zero.
Starting from move 11, we use the letter 'm' on the first line
to denote the "starting" move number -- is :b10: correct ?
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$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

In Bill's first diagram, he used '0' to show :b10: .
In his second diagram, he specified 'm10' as the starting move number, and this time '1' displays :b10: .


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Hi Aidoneus,
You can "quote" my diagrams (or your own) to make a new move or diagram.
In all my subsequent diagrams, I specify exactly the current move number,
-- :w11: here, with 'Wm11' in the diagram header --
and use '1' in the diagram.
(But there are multiple ways to achieve the same diagram :) ):
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[go]$$Wm11
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Post #19 Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 12:13 pm 
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I have been copying Bill's boards to include the coordinates. Would you rather we leave them off? I know I will get more confused without them!

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Post #20 Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 12:19 pm 
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Let's see how this displays. Preview looks OK, so thanks for the tutorials guys!

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[go]$$Bcm12
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$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


Here goes my second corner. Two more to go. :roll:

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