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Author: | Bill Spight [ Fri Aug 30, 2019 3:39 am ] |
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Variation, for reference. |
Author: | EdLee [ Fri Aug 30, 2019 3:56 am ] |
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For Jika: |
Author: | Kirby [ Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:28 am ] |
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Jika mentioned to me in PM that she was getting a little bit overwhelmed by the comments. I advised that there are pros and cons to reading the comments up front. The benefit is the information you get from the comments. The downside is that it can lead to doubting oneself. I'll leave it up to Jika as to which comments she chooses to read - so if you have something addressed to Jika, it may or may not be seen until the end of the game. |
Author: | Kirby [ Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:35 am ] |
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Author: | Jika [ Sat Aug 31, 2019 2:42 am ] |
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@Kirby and all: To clarify, as I mentioned to you all the comments are overwhelming in the way that I'm afraid I don't understand enough to do them justice. But, as some of you said, I can see later if I understand more, so keep commenting please!! My main problem is that once I've read the comments, especially Kirby's reasoning, I don't want to copy the good moves he expects or you are recommending because this feels like cheating. I also assume I would not learn that much if playing moves I copy - I would learn good play, but not receive input regarding my own play. So I'll try to find a way to not be influenced by the comments. Maybe, I think Ed said so, plan my move first, and not change it, but read comments afterwards what move would have been advisable. |
Author: | EdLee [ Sat Aug 31, 2019 2:45 am ] |
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Hi Jika, |
Author: | Jika [ Sat Aug 31, 2019 3:02 am ] |
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Author: | EdLee [ Sat Aug 31, 2019 3:55 am ] |
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Jika: |
Author: | Tryss [ Sat Aug 31, 2019 4:12 am ] |
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Jika : |
Author: | Bill Spight [ Sat Aug 31, 2019 5:38 am ] |
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In addition to defending , attacks . It is a dual purpose move. |
Author: | Bill Spight [ Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:01 am ] |
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Jika wrote: My main problem is that once I've read the comments, especially Kirby's reasoning, I don't want to copy the good moves he expects or you are recommending because this feels like cheating. I also assume I would not learn that much if playing moves I copy - I would learn good play, but not receive input regarding my own play. So I'll try to find a way to not be influenced by the comments. Maybe, I think Ed said so, plan my move first, and not change it, but read comments afterwards what move would have been advisable. That's an excellent idea. Kirby is a very strong player. As a beginner, you have zero chance of winning this game, even with 9 stones. (But more stones might make for a less interesting game. ) So if both you and Kirby agree, may I suggest that sometimes, at Kirby's suggestion, you be allowed to take a move back? Taking a move back was common practice among amateurs in Japan when I was learning go, and sometimes your opponent would suggest taking a move back. OC, in a serious game it was not done, but it was common in friendly games. |
Author: | Jika [ Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:17 am ] |
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Kirby, I use "Hide" because it makes posts shorter. You may read, oc! @Ed: Depends how far "here" goes. 4, 3? @Tryss: |
Author: | jlt [ Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:58 am ] |
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@Jika: so far I think your moves are OK (so you don't need to take a move back), albeit a bit risky. |
Author: | Bill Spight [ Sat Aug 31, 2019 8:22 am ] |
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jlt wrote: @Jika: so far I think your moves are OK (so you don't need to take a move back), albeit a bit risky. @Jika: I didn't mean to imply that you have made any bad moves. |
Author: | EdLee [ Sat Aug 31, 2019 12:16 pm ] |
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Jika: |
Author: | Kirby [ Sat Aug 31, 2019 4:37 pm ] |
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@Jika - I'll move when I can, but we are doing various things for labor day weekend, so response times may vary. Today, we went canoeing, went to the fair, played some board games, played video games, went out for ice cream, and played outside... I think the kids had fun |
Author: | Bill Spight [ Sat Aug 31, 2019 5:56 pm ] |
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Better late than never. After some playing around, my sealed move. |
Author: | Jika [ Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:04 am ] |
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Quote: @Jika - I'll move when I can, but we are doing various things for labor day weekend, so response times may vary. I'm relieved to hear that - I'm on vacation (general summer vacation) plus broke my big toe, so, much time on my hands... uhm, foot... to sit around, get bored and play around with go. Because our game started fast (I mean: there was not much time between moves! How do I say that without confusing everyone about "fast"??), I was already concerned I would not have that much time in the future. @Kirby: now, you made the move I expected (too late to change mine), and I'll have to deal with what I got myself into. |
Author: | Bill Spight [ Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:36 am ] |
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Jika wrote: I'm relieved to hear that - I'm on vacation (general summer vacation) plus broke my big toe, so, much time on my hands... uhm, foot... to sit around, get bored and play around with go. Sorry to hear about your toe. I hope you are on your feet again soon. Quote: Because our game started fast (I mean: there was not much time between moves! How do I say that without confusing everyone about "fast"??), I was already concerned I would not have that much time in the future. There is a saying: Go Proverb wrote: Lose your first 100 games quickly. OC, it is not meant to be taken literally. But here are some points. 1) You can learn a lot just by playing. 2) When you are learning, it does not matter much whether you win or lose. 3) It is possible to "get lost in a maze of calculations," as chess author Znosko-Borovsky put it. That's not much fun and not very productive. Now, Malkovich games are perforce slow paced by comparison with over the board games. But if time is a factor, as you indicate, may I suggest taking at most 1 minute to think about your move. 1 minute, even 2 or 3 minutes per day is not a lot of time to spend on a go game. OC, you may spend some time on our comments, but you don't have to do that every day, as you yourself have indicated. Now, if you enjoy cogitating about go moves, go right ahead. But if not, just take several seconds and make a move. Don't worry about whether it's a mistake or not. Remember, it is better to have played go and lost than never to have played go at all. |
Author: | Jika [ Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:36 am ] |
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@Bill: And now - the sealed comments are to be opened! Edit: Ooaah - Kirby expected me to do that?! I did not read his hidden text, I promise!! |
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