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Author: | emeraldemon [ Fri Sep 24, 2010 12:32 am ] |
Post subject: | 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k) |
Laman agreed to play me at a 3 stone handicap, joseki dictionary and offline analysis allowed. Enjoy the game ![]()
In my last malkovich game I felt I made some big mistakes and didn't play very well overall. I hope this time I can produce I game I'm proud of. |
Author: | Laman [ Fri Sep 24, 2010 12:50 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 74. Laman vs. emeraldemon |
emeraldemon: have a good game. could you perhaps add our ranks to the thread name? everyone: enjoy, i am looking forward to your comments ok, we play 3 stones, it should be not easy but still bearable. i play mokuhazushi, because it is influence-oriented and not very widely played. from what i've seen in his games, i think emeraldemon is more territory-oriented and it is just fine for my attacking style. the key is to keep iniciative and attack black instead of letting black attack me. this aspect i like in (for example) Magicwand's games and hope i will be successful with it |
Author: | emeraldemon [ Fri Sep 24, 2010 8:22 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k) |
Of course it's common for white to try somewhat unusual openings to through white off confidence, and I haven't played too much against 3-5 openings. But I'm allowed to look up moves, which I'm not ashamed to use. Actually I do know it a little bit from playing through the ear-reddening game, where the taisha is played (and commentary in Invincible). So I'll predict this:
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Author: | Laman [ Fri Sep 24, 2010 9:19 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k) |
i've thought about it for a while and this seems to be fine. i aim for this:
i also considered playing kakari 4 right now and so the sequence above in changed order, but it probably doesn't help anything (for case black would not extend and pincer instead). i didn't think about tenuki much, because i want to get inluence. otherwise, tenuki would be surely also possible. my last thought was D14 and aim for taisha, don't know what would be preferable, guess both playable ![]() |
Author: | emeraldemon [ Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:27 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k) |
I think it'll be a bit hard for white to use the wall facing my 44 stone. I'm trading thickness for territory.
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Author: | Laman [ Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:31 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k) |
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Author: | emeraldemon [ Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:37 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k) |
It's worth asking if this hane is safe, but I'll wait 'till we get there to decide ![]() white might also just extend from the wall:
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Author: | Laman [ Fri Sep 24, 2010 11:51 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k) |
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Author: | emeraldemon [ Fri Sep 24, 2010 2:03 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k) |
This is the first move where I'm not really sure. There are basically 4 options for me:
I can continue on the left with a or b, or respond to the approach on the right with c or d. The left is tempting, but I don't think I can do much damage to his position, so the right seems bigger to me. First the pincer:
Normally I like this pincer, but my wall faces his, so my influence isn't doing too much, and White gets free territory. I also don't like blocking the other direction. So:
White is making a good moyo this way, but I have solid territory on both sides and there's still plenty of room for invasion/reduction later.
If white tries something looser, I'll happily split. |
Author: | walleye [ Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:52 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k) |
emeraldemon wrote: First the pincer:
Normally I like this pincer, but my wall faces his, so my influence isn't doing too much, and White gets free territory. Huh?
This looks like a really sweet result for Black, white stones are useless and weak. So I doubt White would have jumped into the corner after the pincer. |
Author: | Laman [ Sat Sep 25, 2010 8:36 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k) |
ok, last move from my previous post. next i expect black sanrensei which i will counter with kakari, probably R6 on the right side |
Author: | emeraldemon [ Sat Sep 25, 2010 4:26 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k) |
When I thought about this possibility last move, I said I'd be happy to invade:
I still think this makes sense. But I also wonder what happens if I split on the other side:
If I jump out, I think white gets to connect underneath, and my stones are pretty weak. I could try like this:
I'm trying to decide if this is ok. My stones are weak of course, but white also has trouble, and I got to secure the corner for free. I think I'm going to go for it. If W blocks on the other side or on top I can use the other cut:
I think that stone will only help me. I don't really feel like my reading is strong enough to know how this attack will go. I've shown variations for how I might play in white's shoes, but I'm hesitant to show diagrams more than a few moves ahead because it seems so unlikely that I could predict that far. |
Author: | Laman [ Sun Sep 26, 2010 2:59 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k) |
hmm, so he wants to fight... but although black's move looks nasty, i don't it was best possible, as it directly jumps into my sphere of influence and so asks for troubles. i would have played sanrensei with K4 and if invasion, i guess i would try M17. now i aim for this (not sure what will follow):
i can attack black and in the same time reinforce my O17 extension a bit. this order is important, if i played 2 first, black could play D13 instead of me. note: perhaps i should push one more time (at d12). not decided yet |
Author: | emeraldemon [ Sun Sep 26, 2010 1:44 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k) |
Pretty much forced. I don't think it affects my analysis too much, though. |
Author: | Laman [ Mon Sep 27, 2010 7:19 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k) |
ok, i push one more time, black's bend at D12 would be too unpleasant. i am not entirely satisfied with the position but it is a 3 handi after 14 moves, still long battle awaiting ![]() |
Author: | emeraldemon [ Mon Sep 27, 2010 7:23 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k) |
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Author: | Laman [ Tue Sep 28, 2010 2:10 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k) |
i would already like to move to another part of the board but it is not possible yet. black takes points and fixes some aji in his corner, but i weaken aji of black G17 at the same time. seems that i might be able to leave position without adding another stone to the right-top C11-D11 is becoming pretty large now, especially for black
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Author: | emeraldemon [ Tue Sep 28, 2010 7:22 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k) |
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Author: | dfan [ Tue Sep 28, 2010 8:35 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k) |
Does this violate "Don't peep where you can cut"?
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Author: | Chew Terr [ Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:12 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k) |
dfan wrote: Does this violate "Don't peep where you can cut"?
Unless I'm mistaken, that cut just doesn't work? If you try to cut, the cutting stone or D17 just die, from my quick read. Peeping when you can't cut is fine... |
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