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| Author: | Jedo [ Wed Dec 15, 2010 8:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K) |
Hey everyone, look like me and Magicwand are gonna be playing. Wintebreak just started, so this seemed to be a reasonable time for me. Hope everyone enjoys this game, as I'm certainly looking forward to it. We'll be playing with four stones, which seems like a reasonable handicap for a malkovitch game. Have a good game:
Some thoughts Oh dear, here we go. From viewing his past games, It's clear that magicwand is a handicap animal, and I may very well get destroyed. However, I will do my best to use my four stones to their best potential and will force him to show me his strength. If I go down, it will be in flames, and not because I got too passive. I think this will be a great learning experience, and will hopefully come across my weaknesses. I will try my best. Incredibly detailed sequence I have planned Let the mind games begin  |
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| Author: | Magicwand [ Wed Dec 15, 2010 9:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K) |
i am also from NY. perhaps i will contact you when i visit NY again. 4 stone...it is not a easy handycap to overcome. i can not win unless he makes a big mistake. but it is much easier than 5 stone. i have done many handycap game already.. i always use same pattern in the opening. nothing intresting. just same old opening. |
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| Author: | Jedo [ Wed Dec 15, 2010 10:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K) |
This is the sort of game I want to play. I want to put some pressure on white and hopefully get some useful influence. I considered the low pincer first, but if white jumps out and presses, I don't really like giving white the influence, even though it's a fine result for black. I'd rather generate some power and let white grab a few points on the corner/side if he wants to. However, I'm sure magicwand will come up with something tricky.
These are the two main lines. However, MHO may very likely tenuki. The disadvantage of this move is that there isn't such a severe followup, but so be it. |
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| Author: | Magicwand [ Thu Dec 16, 2010 8:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K) |
not what i wanted...but really doesnt matter. below is what i expect. for observers: i really want him to move that one stone. i will really feel terrorable if he tenuki. only way for me to overcome thismuch handycap is to attack and build influence. remember "ONE STONE CAN NOT BE ATTACKED" so if you pick right time and sequence to move your stone then it will drive me crazy (although i wont admit).
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| Author: | Jedo [ Thu Dec 16, 2010 9:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K) |
Ok, this move seems natural as I dont want the corner to get enclosed. Normal joseki is:
There's no way MHO will play this though. I expect something like this:
And he'll try to get an attack going on my pincer stone. This is why I'm glad I played high, as I don't have to look after it so carefully as a lower pincer. |
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| Author: | Magicwand [ Thu Dec 16, 2010 9:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K) |
edit: many observer ask me what i would play if i am black so i will go ahead and post my choice.
6 will by my choice. second choice will be "a" i dont consider point B because i dont want any headache. if you can win without fighting then that is the best way to win. (quote from: sun tzu) |
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| Author: | Jedo [ Thu Dec 16, 2010 11:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K) |
I considered a few options here. I was considering just tenuking to take sanrensei somewhere else, but felt like magicwand get control over the bottom wasnt worth it:
This is possible, but I'd rather play more actively on the bottom
If I'm gonna play on the bottom, it seems like the most urgent matter is to keep white seperated and weak. Of course white is still light.
Something like this might happen, which looks fine for black. |
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| Author: | Magicwand [ Thu Dec 16, 2010 11:33 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K) |
i am happy he played that move  |
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| Author: | Jedo [ Thu Dec 16, 2010 1:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K) |
As noted before. As long as I keep white seperated I'm happy. Before I considered closing that corner important to take away white's lightness. Now that he's added another stone though, I would be more than happy for him to take the corner and weaken the outside stones. I want to make white commit to groups to take away his flexibility.
Maybe next he'll try to pressure my two stones. I think his groups are weaker than mine though. I really wanted to play this way:
But my corner just ends up getting wrecked. |
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| Author: | Magicwand [ Thu Dec 16, 2010 1:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K) |
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| Author: | Jedo [ Thu Dec 16, 2010 2:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K) |
I don't see any reason why respond to the approach is that urgent. The nice thing about 44 stones is that they can fend for themselves, and attack the floating white group seems more important. Now if I can close that corner, it really does seem like a lot of points. Of course, now I expect white to attack that hoshi.
In this case I would have to decide between a and b. He might make some kind of weirder approach though. |
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| Author: | Magicwand [ Thu Dec 16, 2010 3:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K) |
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| Author: | Jedo [ Thu Dec 16, 2010 3:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K) |
Same principle applies as before. I assume the attack will now to my center stones. |
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| Author: | Magicwand [ Thu Dec 16, 2010 4:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K) |
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| Author: | Kayres [ Thu Dec 16, 2010 4:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K) |
not for the players jump jump jump jump jump..... is it only me or do you (i won't say hate!  ) also dislike this? it looks awful to me  |
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| Author: | walleye [ Thu Dec 16, 2010 4:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K) |
Magicwand wrote:
I think the best strategy for Black in a high handicap game is to make thickness quickly and then launch safe attacks on White. In this game, Black has opted to take a little bit of territory on the right side instead. And now he has two weak groups to worry about. This game already looks pretty horrible for Black. |
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| Author: | Jedo [ Thu Dec 16, 2010 5:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K) |
Yeah, this is pretty severe. Doesn't seem like I have much of a choice though. White probably plans to get some kind of double attack going, so this is where I'll really be tested. White will most likely dive for the 3-3 next, or possibly try some kind of loose net
D would be such a nice point to get... Anyway, I'm not sure yet if I regret the tenuki, cause I am pretty glad to have my middle 3 stones fairly safe and have white's group be weaker. |
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| Author: | Magicwand [ Thu Dec 16, 2010 5:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K) |
i was hoping he play something else but IMO he answer my move correctly. but he has many more mountain to climb. |
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| Author: | Bill Spight [ Thu Dec 16, 2010 5:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K) |
Even without a handicap,  looks reasonable. Black shouldn't mind sacrificing  . Besides, Black threatens the attachment and crosscut, a - b - c .
You have to admire the fighting spirit of . However, it invites  . is strong because it pushes through a small opening.  is necessary.
The diagonal play is better, I believe. First, it does not present White with a small opening to jump through. Second, it prevents White from connecting his stones.
They say, The one space jump is never bad , but maybe it is here.  invites  , which, as explained above, is strong.  is consistent, but questionable, as well. The idea of is to attack White on two sides. How can that happen if Black ignores  , and allows  ?
Now that we are here, I think that Black should settle the corner.  does so, and threatens "a" or "b".(Too late!) Edit: Unhidden. |
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| Author: | Jedo [ Thu Dec 16, 2010 5:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K) |
P.S. Magicwand if you win this game I'll buy you lunch in NY some time  What I'd expect if magicwand was not a crazy person:
This looks pretty good for me. I blocked the way I did because otherwise, his stones work too well on the bottom. I'm sure he will complicate matters however. |
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