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 Post subject: Re: 114: Violence vs NeoNemesis
Post #41 Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 6:01 am 
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Does that mean that Violence is considering the one space jump?

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This seems the only move to me:

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Post #42 Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 11:12 am 
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Well, Jedo, aside from the fact that I really feel like NeoNemesis is going to rip apart my group there if I push him toward it(it's just a feeling based on many games of getting destroyed after feeling too safe about my groups), the cap... really doesn't do much to white. There's no real pressure on white to do anything. If white were a normal person, white could even just jump out toward tengen, and it will still aim at an invasion in the lower left. I just strongly feel that it wasn't the right direction, for many reasons.

Again, I really just want to fight him on my terms here. The key is how he can handle this attack.

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Post #43 Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 2:37 pm 
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There's still aji for the stone
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Depending on where black ataris... if he ataris from the top
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It's very uncertain but white should be able to squeeze life due to L2, but it certainly seems very difficult.Black gets kinda thick which defeats the purpose of the tengen stone. Moving immediately will definitely be bad for white.

If black ataris from below
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There's a lot of variations. This is one, other few I read out involves me taking a ponnuki though. I think black will probably choose to atari from above. I like the fights if he ataris from below for me due to tengen.

I'm at work though, I need more time to read out the variations for when he ataris from the top.

There's also aji here:
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Which is complicated, but i think i should be able to live anyway. I need to consider some more before I make another move down here. Either way. I think it's best to take the biggest move now and worry about the bottom later.

If he manages to save all aji later, I can still get a large yose move at e2 in sente

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Post #44 Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 5:52 pm 
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Don't you just hate it when the stronger player tenukis and it makes so much sense?

That tengen stone just kinda sits there, like a fist. You don't know when it's going to punch you, but you know it's going to punch you.

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Post #45 Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 8:43 pm 
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I have the tengen stone so I need to be more aggressive with some sort of pincer here. Also, I think i'm a little behind.
Black has about 29 pts, white only has like 7 pts lower left, 4 points lower right, i count star on top left as ~9 pts, with komi 6.5 about 26.5 total. Of course, i'd take taht with a grain of salt since My positional analysis is usually pretty bad. I'm probably more behind than that.

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Post #46 Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:28 pm 
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Your positional analysis didn't include the tengen. How are you taking that into account?

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It serves as a way to help me reinforce for fights. It's not far from any fights on the board and it can serve as a universal ladder breaker. It's slightly allin though since it puts me slightly behind on territory especially since I am white. Think of it as a proxy 2 gate in the map. It will always be useful and you can constantly reinforce. No matter where they are, you can guarantee the middle will be closer than your starting location to their base and it will certainly always help reinforce in fights. The problem though is I'll have to gain something from the fights or else i will be behind. Looking at the position again, The bottom is probably bigger than what I had estimated, but I am counting on the aji of my stone to make some profit later.

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So... many... joseki...

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$$ | . . . O . . . . W , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . O . . . . . . X . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O . X . . X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Well, this feels awful...

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$$ | . . 5 . 6 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 7 O . 2 3 . W , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 4 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . O . . . . . . X . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O . X . . X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It's times like this when I wish I were good at positional judgment.

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$$ | . . . . 7 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 5 6 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 0 4 O 8 2 . . W , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . O . . . . . . X . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O . X . . X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Feels pretty terrible...

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 6 5 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O 0 2 3 . W , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 4 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . O . . . . . . X . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O . X . . X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O X . W , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . 3 . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O 4 . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . O . . . . . . X . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O . X . . X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I don't think I can use this joseki... the fighting is too good for him...

I guess the only thing I can do here is to take the corner in a normal fashion.

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$$ | . . W . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . O . . . . . . X . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O . X . . X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If I don't like the variation if he just takes the corner from here
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 . 4 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 O . W 1 . O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . O . . . . . . X . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O . X . . X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


He's making it hard for me to utilize tengen.

So I play the variation that allows me to fight. However Ideally I'd have a stone at D10 to play here.

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Gotta think.

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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . O . . . . . . X . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O . X . . X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I can only really think of two options...

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O 6 . . . O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . 5 . . 1 . 7 8 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X 2 4 . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . O . . . . . . X . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O . X . . X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This... doesn't feel very good... similar variations, I think, leave me in trouble. That tengen stone is really a pain.

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . O . . . . . . X . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O . X . . X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Sacrifice and make sabaki? Still... not feeling right...

I feel like I'm missing something very fundamental about this position, neither of my ideas seem very good, I think my thinking here is too narrow.

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 1 2 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . O . . . . . . X . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O . X . . X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Nothing feels particularly good here...

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . 1 2 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . O . . . . . . X . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O . X . . X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Maybe this is harder to attack... hmm...

I don't really know what to do here, it's tough.

One thing's for sure, though. When your first feeling is refuted by your sense of judgment after a few moves, you don't play your first feeling, you have to look for something else.

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Post #51 Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 2:12 pm 
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Just think. What would NPH do?
I bet he's going to move E15 as I don't think the fight is good for me if he does. It's like responding to a gas steal by 4 gating, or marines with banelings.

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Why does this position look familiar, and why do I remember this move being played...

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$$ | . . . O . . . . O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . B . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . O . . . . . . X . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O . X . . X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #53 Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 10:13 pm 
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Why does this position look familiar, and why do I remember this move being played...

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . B . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . O . . . . . . X . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O . X . . X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think that's from a famous Go Seigen game. But I only vaguely remember. There were opponent stones on the star points when that move was played.

I wonder if Violence considered the 5-5. That's what I'd want to play.

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Why does this position look familiar, and why do I remember this move being played...

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . B . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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I think you saw this idea in an article on the go game guru website.

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Post #55 Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 10:07 pm 
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Here's the article, but as you can see, the situation is a bit different (no white D10 stone; the pincer is one space closer.) Still a fun move to at least consider.

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Post #56 Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 7:29 pm 
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Probably the lean/attach method would be good for Black. That two space jump thing I've never seen before but it looks cool :)

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Post #57 Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 1:21 pm 
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I thought about it some more, and I guess I just want to lean on the pincer stone. I feel like if I attach to it, though, he'll get a stronger attack on my lone stone, so I'm gonna give this a shot.

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Post #58 Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 8:07 pm 
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i dont know how strong neo is but what he has shown me sofar is not impressive at all.

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Post #59 Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 1:57 am 
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[mod edit from Chew]Hope you don't mind, I marked your most recent move[/mod edit]

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Let's him push further and then come back to attack severely, feels uncomfortable. I want to avoid this variation.

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I think this is my plan. it's hard for him to attack my bigger group, and I can sacrifice a stone if he cuts. If I were to not make the 3 and 4 exchange, I think his cut is big... so I should probably make the exchange, even though it doesn't feel so good.

Well, let's see if this works.

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