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Post #221 Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 8:01 pm 
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Hmm... (a) to capture :bc:, or (b)...? :study:
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[go]$$W
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . a B O X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . b X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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[go]$$Wm88 Prisoners: :w2: :b1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . O . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . 1 X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
(p)
Wrong choice. W should've captured with :w1:. Now the center is dame.
(a) and (b) are miai, so W is OK at the corner:
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[go]$$W
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X O |
$$ | . . b . . . . . . . . X . . X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 1 X O X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . a X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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Post #223 Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 4:02 pm 
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Last night I was tired yet still wanted to play,
but somehow restrained myself to wait, and it was a good choice, I think.
I even saw Loons on KGS and told him as much.
(And found out his time zone is 19 hours ahead, almost one full day in the future! :))

Back in Post #215, I considered perhaps (a) and (b) were miai:
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[go]$$ Var. 1
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . a . . X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . b X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
So if :b1:, I should take :w2::
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . 2 X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
Which is the same shape as in the real game -- since B can always do the :bc: :wc: exchange --
only the order was different:
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . B O X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . W O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
So if I changed my mind and captured the :bc: stone with :w1:,
it means letting B take both :bt: and :b2: -- both (a) and (b) in Var. 1:
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[go]$$W
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . Y . . X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 1 B O X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . 2 X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
Somehow I had confused myself -- maybe still tired from Congress and other projects --
and I'm glad I took the sleep first, and :w88: the the above tewari came to me in the shower. :)

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Post #225 Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 7:00 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm89 Prisoners: :w2: :b1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . O . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 1 X O X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Well, Ed got to C2 first... Sorry post #137

A synopsis of my reading:
I have to (and am happy to) save my cutting stone, this also makes my bottom group safer.
L4 instead, reducing Ed's liberties does not threaten anything other than a few forcing moves after Ed gets to tenuki, and gains one less liberty than the game move.
The game move threatens to net Ed's cut off stones.

I'll try and post a useful working count soon.

Edit: I think I'm about 14 points down, including komi. I still have H17 yose and should gain points in the centre. Diagram later.

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Post #226 Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 7:41 pm 
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So, :b89: was kind of expected. And this was the position I was looking at before :w88:.
The two :wc: stones are not cutting stones -- the :bs: group is now alive --
and later there are still moves like (b). (a) is my sente, but I wonder if it can wait.
Also looking at aji in (c) area, as :w88: settled that corner.
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[go]$$Wm88
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . O . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . c . X . . X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . b . W X . . . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . W X O . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 2 # O X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . # . . # . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . 1 # . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
(p)
B was ahead after :b89:.
W's most severe move was probably :w1: -- it's kind of a big gamble for both W and B:
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[go]$$W
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 . O X . . . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X O X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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[go]$$Wm90
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . O . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . 1 . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X O X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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:w1: may not be sente now. For example -- the center becomes a monster (again):
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[go]$$W
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X 3 . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . O . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . 4 . . . . O X O . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X O X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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Post #229 Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 10:18 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm91 First Impressions.
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X d O . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . O . a O X X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . W . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . f . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . e . X . . X . X X O |
$$ | . c . . . . . . . . O X . . . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X O X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . b . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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Post #230 Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:41 am 
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Loons, I'll be offline until the end of this week (Sunday Aug 21 here),
so you'll have had over 9 days for :b91: -- I look forward to it. :)

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Post #231 Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 6:38 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoners: :w2: :b1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . O . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . O . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X O X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

I think I mentioned I count myself losing by >10 at the moment. I'm going fishing for what points I can build in the centre. I think Ed probably should play M11 or M12 (to avoid my H12 stone), after which I am beginning to seal off a big centre area. Not 100% on my play lower left yet.

My right side groups are so overconcentrated that they ought to resist Ed's yose on their own).

Will try to make more timely moves in future.

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No first feeling, yet. :)

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I have to assume Loons spent the 15 days reading very deeply many variations here :),
including the obvious two hanes :white:(a) and :white:(b). Will take my time here... :study:
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[go]$$W
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . O . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . O . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . a X b . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X O X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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Post #234 Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 4:41 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoners: :w2: :b1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . O . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . O 2 . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X . X X O |
$$ | . . . a c . . . . . O X . . . X O O O |
$$ | . . W . b d . . . . O X O . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X O X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . B . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
Not a sequence of moves, a sequence of thoughts. I ended up at 'd' because 'a' 'b' and 'c' all leave a walk-through-able gap with respect to my marked black stone. My group on the left seems thicker than my group on the bottom, so white leaning on it should be less trouble.
So, moves by Ed I'm anticipating:
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[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoners: :w2: :b1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . O . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X . C . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . a . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . O . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . T 1 . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . f . O X . . . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . d e . . . . O X O . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X O X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . b c . , . O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
'a' seems sente against the triangled cut; I have the circled peep to use but may need to just block in gote anyway (which will be locally quite nice at least)

'd' and 'e' seem like good choices because they're where I want to play. Against them, I think I just fall back.

'b' and 'c' shoulder hits against my third line two space extension are normal tactics (though I think normally earlier in the game), and perhaps the most likely. I will look at sacrificing F3 if Ed plays this way.

'f' I do not expect (famous last words). While black neglected to net those two stones, running with them is heavy; resulting in a gross loss if it does not 'work' stellarly somehow. It is better to aim at this adji with one of the other moves.

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[go]$$Wm92
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . O . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . O . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X O X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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Unfortunately, after a few days of pondering, I still don't know what to do with :b91: (= :bc:). :)
:bc: looks a bit odd, to me, and it doesn't seem sente. :w92: is not small, but I'm also not sure it's sente, either.
However, if B gets :b1: first, even though it ends in gote locally, afterwards :black:(a) atari becomes sente:
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[go]$B
$$-------------------------+
$$ . . . . . 2 1 3 . . . . |
$$ O . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ . O . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ . . O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ . . . O . a O X X X . . |
$$ X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ X . . O . . . . . O . . |
$$ . . . B . . . X . . . . |
$$ . . , . . . . . X . X X |[/go]

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Post #237 Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 12:15 am 
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This is sente against my 10-15 points in the corner. How much bigger than that is any of the moves in the centre? Perhaps Ed is right that the centre is so open he has many options in reducing and I can't take away all of them... But it also seems to be so open there are a lot of points to grab. Ehh, I'm playing the move I wanted before. I feel my move strengthens my weakest stones, as well so I feel it's irresistible.


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[go]$$Bcm93 Prisoners: :w2: :b1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . O . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . O . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . 1 . . . . O X O . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X O X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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First feeling is :white:(a) hane.
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[go]$$Wm92
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . O . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . O . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . a X . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . 2 . . . . O X O . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X O X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
(p)
:b93: was not good shape. Later (many variations here):
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[go]$$W
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . O X O . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X O X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . 1 2 . . , . O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X 3 . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
Replying to :w92: was big and B should've done it. Locally, the correct shape is the 1-space jump:
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . 1 . . . X X O X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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Another candidate for :w92: was :w1:, but I was uncertain of the status of the :bc: group:
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[go]$$W
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . O . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . O . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . a X b . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 . W X . . . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . W X O . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . B B O X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . B . . B . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O B . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
Also, I was not sure whether pulling :wc: out with :w1: was a good idea, because it may end up as a heavy group.
In post-game review, I'd be curious to know Loons' plan for :w92: at (a) and (b).

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[go]$$Wm94
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . O . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . O . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 1 X . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . O X O . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X O X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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