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 Post subject: Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo
Post #161 Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:31 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm41 Komi: -15; Prisoners: :b100:, :w3:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O 3 . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X O X O X X O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . O X . O . . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . X O . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This is a tricky point. It seems to me that if I answer with :w1: below, Black can descend at :b4: in sente and throw in at :b6:. If I connect after :b8:, I suffer from a potential shortage of liberties - :b10: and "a" would threaten to capture two/seven stones. If I do not connect, the ko at :b6: would threaten both to live and to trash my upper side. As a result, the solid connection looks better in this case.
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . 5 . . 4 8 7 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O 3 X X . 2 O 6 1 . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X O X O X X O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X X , X O O a . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X 0 . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . O X . O . . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . X O . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #162 Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 6:39 am 
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[go]$$Wcm41 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O O . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X X O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O 4 O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . O X . O . . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . X O . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Perhaps we should use triggers during the ko fight to make it go faster?

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Post #163 Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 5:09 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm41 Komi: -15; Prisoners: :b100:, :w3:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . 5 O O . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X X O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . O X . O . . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . X O . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

triggers: If H18, I will recapture the ko. If you fill the ko, I will play H18.
This was part of my plan going in, if Black did not prevent it. I have the impression that if Black fills the ko, I will gain sufficient compensation by cutting off the center stones. This may not be true since Black will have sente and can play to reduce my capture as much as possible. If Black responds at H18, I think White is much better off since Black will no longer have a safe eye on the top. This should help me in responding to future Black ko threats.

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Post #164 Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 12:30 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm41 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X 7 O O O . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X 6 X O X X O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . O X . O . . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . 8 . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . X O . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So here's the deal. I took his threat offer because this is really a huge ko and he will ignore almost anything, except maybe this:
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[go]$$Wcm41 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . 5 O O . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X X O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X . . a . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . O X . O . . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . X O . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Or other local threats like it. At the same time, he can just make threats that aren't as big as the ko and still make a profit. This threat is worth about 25 points, and after subtracting what he lost for starting the fight means he gained a little over 10 points in gote the way I see it. It's probably a little less, because I have this nice clamp later on:
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[go]$$Wcm41 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . 5 O O . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X X O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . O X . O . . . . a O X . X . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . X O . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Which should help reduce the middle. The move I just played aims at reducing the bottom to almost nothing, and hopefuly even capturing some stones depending on how he plays. To be honest this situation is pretty hard to read out, but some the ideal is:

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[go]$$Wcm41 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X 7 5 O O . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X 6 X O X X O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . O X . O . . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . 8 9 O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . X O . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X . . 0 . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I've had to resort to desperate measures, but I'm anxious to see how he'll respond!

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Post #165 Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 1:08 am 
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[go]$$Wcm41 Komi: -15; Prisoners: :b100:, :w3:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X 7 O O O . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X 6 X O X X O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . O X . O . . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . 9 . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . X . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . X O . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I am going to respond on top. Mainly I feel that simply connecting is too passive. There are many ways for Black to continue locally and there are even more ways for Black to turn elsewhere and try to use the aji in this position later. Perhaps it would be better to connect solidly, but I have my pride! :blackeye:

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Post #166 Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 2:44 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm41 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X O O O O . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X X X O X X O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . O X . O . . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . 0 O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . X . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . X O . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Ok, I think he has to give me something here. I assume he;s going to cut next?
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[go]$$Wcm41 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X 7 O O O . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X 6 X O X X O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . O X . O . . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . X O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O 3 1 X 6 O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . X O . 2 4 O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X . 5 . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

:b4: is the key move here, and I think it's necessary. Seems like he'll have to give up those three stones, but maybe he has a stronger resistance?
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[go]$$Wcm41 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X 7 O O O . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X 6 X O X X O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . O X . O . . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . 1 . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . X O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . X . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . X O . 2 . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This might be enough to guarantee grabbing a few stones. Still thinking about when to play that clamp up top

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Post #167 Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 10:21 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm51 Komi: -15; Prisoners: :b100:, :w3:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X O O O O . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X X X O X X O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . O X . O . . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . X O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . 1 X . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . X O . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

The only move IMHO. Now what does Black want to do with it? I think the toughest resistance may be the atari at M3 next.

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Post #168 Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 6:47 am 
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[go]$$Wcm51 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X O O O O . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X X X O X X O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . O X . O . . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . X O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . O X . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . X O . 2 . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #169 Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 8:28 am 
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[go]$$Wcm51 Komi: -15; Prisoners: :b100:, :w3:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X O O O O . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X X X O X X O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . O X . O . . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . X O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O 3 O X . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . X O . X . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I think that I can play :w10: below in sente, and "a" as well. So I am willing to mix it up here and see where we go. If :b1: at "b" instead, I expect to play at 1 and then "c".
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X O O O O . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X X X O X X O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . O X . O . . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . c O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . X O b O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . 0 O O O X 2 O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . X O . X 1 O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X 4 3 9 8 O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . 5 6 7 a . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #170 Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 9:44 am 
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[go]$$Wcm51 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X O O O O . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X X X O X X O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . O X . O . . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . X O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O O O X . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . X O . X 4 O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This seems to be miai.
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[go]$$Wcm51 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X O O O O . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X X X O X X O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . O X . O . . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . X O a O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O 3 O X 6 O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . X O . X 4 O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X . 5 . b O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This way I have a or b miai to save my stones.

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[go]$$Wcm51 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X O O O O . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X X X O X X O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . O X . O . . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . X O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O 3 O X 5 O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . X O . X 4 O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X 7 6 . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . 8 9 . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This variation is trickier.

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[go]$$Wcm51 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X O O O O . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X X X O X X O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . O X . O . . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . X O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . 9 O O O X O O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . X O 7 X X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X O X 4 3 O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . 0 . 8 X 6 2 5 . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I think I can save these stones this way (white's two stones end up with a shortage of liberties if he tries to block), and although I've lost some of my points on the bottom, I think white has lost more

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Post #171 Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 2:41 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm51 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X O O O O . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X X X O X X O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . O X . O . . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . X O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O O O X 5 O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . X O . X X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #172 Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 8:22 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm51 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X O O O O . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X X X O X X O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . O X . O . . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . 6 . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . X O 7 O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O O O X O O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . X O . X X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X 8 . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Sadly, it doesn't look like I can pull out those stones with wrecking my left side:
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[go]$$Wcm51 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X O O O O . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X X X O X X O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . O X . O . . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . X O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O O O X 5 O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . X O . X X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X 7 6 0 9 O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . 8 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm51 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X O O O O . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X X X O X X O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . O X . O . . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . X O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . 7 5 O O O X O O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . X O 3 X X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X O X X O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . 6 . 4 X 2 X 1 . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

My area gets wrecked, and I think all of white's groups are fine.
So now:
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[go]$$Wcm51 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X O O O O . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X X X O X X O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . O X . O . . . . 0 O X . X . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . 6 . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . X O 7 O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O O O X O O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . X O . X X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X 8 9 . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #173 Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 9:07 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm51 Komi: -15; Prisoners: :b100:, :w3:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X O O O O . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X X X O X X O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . O X . O . . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . X O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O O O X O O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . X O . X X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X X 9 . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #174 Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 6:45 am 
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[go]$$Wcm51 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X O O O O . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X X X O X X O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . O X . O . . . . 0 O X . X . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . X O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O O O X O O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . X O . X X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X X O . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

On second thought, the hane under ends in gote since I lost a liberty, so I think I'll grab this point.

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Post #175 Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 7:25 am 
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[go]$$Wcm61 Komi: -15; Prisoners: :b100:, :w3:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X O O O O . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X X X O X X O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X 1 . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . O X . O . . . . X O X . X . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . X O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O O O X O O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . X O . X X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X X O . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Just reacting. Black definitely has some sente plays here.

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Post #176 Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 12:48 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm61 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X O O O O . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X X X O X X O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X O . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . O X . O . . . 2 X O X . X . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . X O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O O O X O O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . X O . X X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X X O . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #177 Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 1:40 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm61 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X O O O O . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X X X O X X O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X O . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . O X . O . . 3 X X O X . X . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . X O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O O O X O O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . X O . X X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X X O . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #178 Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 10:28 am 
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[go]$$Wcm61 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X O O O O . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X X X O X X O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X O . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . O X . O . . O X X O X . X . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . 4 . . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . X O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O O O X O O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . X O . X X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X X O . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

So actually I think this one is bigger, because connecting back up top is gote where as this move threats to make a one point jump to save my two stones and wreck some of the middle

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Post #179 Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 7:44 am 
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[go]$$Wcm61 Komi: -15; Prisoners: :b100:, :w3:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X O O O O . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X X X O X X O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X O . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . O X . O . . O X X O X . X . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . 5 . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . X . . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . X O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O O O X O O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . X O . X X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X X O . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I think it is preferable to protect the center rather than capture the two stones. Pulling out the two stones will be gote for Black. If I capture the stones instead, I think that Black can reduce my center by at least that many points in sente.

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Post #180 Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:34 am 
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[go]$$Wcm61 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X O O O O . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X X X O X X O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O X . . X X O . 6 . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . O X . O . . O X X O X . X . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . O . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . X . . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . X . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . X . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . X O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O O O X O O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . X O . X X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X X O . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I think this move is worth about 9 points in gote, so it seems like the biggest move on the board to me right now.

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