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 Post subject: 144 LiKao 3k vs. hailthorn 8k
Post #1 Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 3:25 pm 
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I suggest you take black, but we can nigiri if you want.

Have fun and good luck.

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Post #3 Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 3:46 pm 
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Alright then. Good game! :D

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Post #4 Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 3:52 pm 
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Offering diagonal. I generally like having many small groups.


* Open books
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* Komi 6.5

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Post #5 Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 4:05 pm 
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Pretty standard opening. I might Sanrensei. Fun opening. Or I might go for a standard opening. Haven't yet decided. Decisions, decisions. And it feels great to be playing. This is my first game in about a week! I hope my break pays off!

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Post #6 Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 5:43 am 
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Li Kao wrote:
Offering diagonal. I generally like having many small groups.



I seldom see people playing diagonal nowadays.

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Post #7 Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 7:51 am 
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I don't like the opening, especially as white. I look at the opening as an inevitable evil stage before the beautiful middle game chaos starts.

Also I need to get rid of my habit of clicking on any spoiler that I come across :P

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Post #8 Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:19 am 
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My move is a pretty common response, so I'll go with that rather than trying something else. Familiarity against a superior foe is the safe way to go. However, I aim to make this a very fight oriented game later on. In one of my previous games, I chose a seemingly dangerous early invasion inside an opponent's moyo that worked out quite well. Not only did I live, I destroyed their potential territory. I'm not sure that will occur in this game due to :b5:.

Either way, I'm really looking forward to seeing how this game progesses. Perhaps I'll learn something if I play aggressively. That's my normal tactic against stronger players. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. :lol:

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Post #9 Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 3:48 am 
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Don't let him settle that easily. Any complication is good :)

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Post #10 Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 3:42 pm 
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I'll take a one space jump here. There are some ways for proceeding from here. I figure he'll one space jump from :w4: and that's fine. If he plays somewhere else, I guess I'll rethink how to proceed from there.

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Post #11 Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 3:44 am 
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Post #12 Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 8:27 am 
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Is the term for this armpit or shoulder hit? Or something like that? Oh well, I'll play it anyway. I like this shape. A lot. I think it puts :black: in a good situation. But again, I'm 8k for a reason, so my logic is probably flawed. Either way, I think this is a good situation for :black:.

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An interesting move. I don't plat 3-4 often, so I haven't encountered it yet. Pro's don't play it either. Black looks a bit over-concentrated to me. I think there is no explicit punishment, but that the over concentration is the punishment.

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a was my first instinct, but seems a bit premature. Perhaps later, once my groups are more stable.
b and c calmly take a bit of a base. c might be a bit thin considering the closeness of blacks stones
d tries to take away his base. But a pincer seems annoying.

I'll probably go with b or c.

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