My own instinct was trying this:

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[go]$$Bcm10 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 . 1 . . 3 4 . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . 5 . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

...Which has been played, but a database search of GoGoD turns up this as far-and-away the normal move:

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[go]$$Bcm10 With possibly a delay between 14 & 15.
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 5 4 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 . 1 . . 3 6 . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . a . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . b . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Where white is aiming at shapey attacks, like a.


Of course, throwing black into the corner is the other idea, but I don't feel that C6 warrants sacrificing the corner like that.

Yes, the second diagram looks very reasonable once I see it on the board XD

I still feel like C6 doesn't work that well, but probably being able to support O3 first is more important

I could have simply defended the corner with C17, I guess. However, this is more likely to allow me to build some influence, which I really would not like to fall behind on.

Since Black has 3 stones on 4-4 points, his corners aren't solid cash quite yet. If I find that I'm falling behind in territory, I can jump into one of the corners for a quick catch up.

A final note: I believe that H17 is a slight overplay. It doesn't make very good shape with the K16/O17 formation; it doesn't fix the weakness at M17.

my move just picked up a nice corner but now its his sente ( its a ok trade a rule of thumb is sente is worth about 15 points (go dojo), i just picked up at least 20 points w/ move #12)

(a) & (c) in my last post would be perfect for white for his next move, but it might not be the right time for him to play there yet because the c15 stone doesn't have a base and that is important, but it would be sente for him to play there because i would have to respond with (d)

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[go]$$Bcm12 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 . X . . O . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X d . . |
$$ | . . ? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . ? . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . c . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

some thoughts:

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[go]$$Bcm12 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 . X . . O . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . X 3 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i think this is ok for black if he does decide to go this route

Ok, he took the corner as expected. Let's share the bottom left corner now and help out my C6 stone. Here's my plan (keeping it simple):

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[go]$$Bcm12 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . 3 . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

From there, I'll likely react to whatever he sends my way. The fuseki portion of the game always makes me the most nervous, because I seem to suck at it so badly. I hope I'm not making to much of a mess of things.

i just got through talking about this base-less stone at c15

this looks ok to me...

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[go]$$Bcm14 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

im assuming this is going to be peaceful, although i love a good fight too

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[go]$$Bcm14 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . 1 . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 5 . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

these kind of fights lead to complications, but i just gotta be careful, and take my time because he is 2k and even 1 wasted stone could turn the game around. thats why i have this game on my real life goban so it has my undivided attention. lets get ready to rumbellll!

Ah, this is more like it. My opponent is giving me choices. The question is ... what do I want to do here? Is it worth pulling my C15 stone out, or should I leave it and take something bigger? How will Black respond?

Here's the board before my move, and the possible moves that jump out at me:

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[go]$$Bcm14 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . a . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . b . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . c . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Obviously, taking C3 (c) is a big move. I definitely want to take that. Should I do it now, though? Black's C13 stone ( ) is looking mighty lonely. It may be possible to induce my opponent to defend that stone, letting me take C3. So, (a) or (b)? (b) seems to be touching a weak stone, which isn't any good here, because all I do is make Black stronger on the left side (possibly in sente), so let's discard that. I want my opponent to spend a move (in gote) to defend C13. Black is also starting to get sealed in to the upper left corner. I don't want to let that advantage slide either.

Another note, my C15 stone has some support up towards H17 and K16, so I'm not just running with no option (did Jowa really mean don't EVER run? I find that difficult to digest).

Finally, if I add one more stone to C15, it's still not a huge investment. If E15 (a) is a mistake, I can cut my losses in that area and still likely be ok.

Here's my plan (along with hot spots I'm watching):

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[go]$$Bcm14 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . f . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . O . . g . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . 2 . . . . . . . . k . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . h . . |
$$ | . . . b . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . i . . |
$$ | . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . j . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . 4 5 . . X . e . . . . O . . d . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . c . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This is starting to look pretty good for me ... at least, I feel pretty good about it. We'll see how long that feeling lasts ...

i took some extra time to think about it and play with the stones
& well im my prev diag i found a problem

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[go]$$Bcm16 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 2 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X 4 X 9 . O . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 5 . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O 7 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm16 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 2 6 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X 4 X 7 . O . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 5 . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O 9 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

either way this is pitiful im pretty sure its workable with sabaki, but its not a fair fight for me because its too many white stones around.

so i gotta keep it simple & try save my two stones, and play my singel stone lightly

so i must play 16, how did i find the move, well elementary my dear (go dojo) sector lines, mixed with a little Yilun Yang "inside weak group!"...."move out!"

example of sector line.

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[go]$$Bcm16 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . ? O . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . ? ? . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O ? . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

this is going to be interesting

Here goes!

I'm have to admit that I haven't exhaustively read this all out. I've done some reading for a number of lines, but it's not been very deep.

The crux of this move is that I'm looking to separate Black from his most recent move ( G16, ). This will quickly get complicated, but Black seems to have two options:

1) Black can give White the corner while digging in up top. In many variations, Black's C13 stone is left hanging very close to White thickness.

2) Black can defend his corner. In many of these variations, White gets some good thickness towards the center.

*) Of note, Black can try to keep both the corner and a group near G16 in a few variations. This becomes an even more complicated fight, and I think White ends up with the advantage. It will be interesting if Black chooses one of those very complicated lines.

I don't know if was the right move to play here, but we'll see what the end result is when the fight ends.

below is what i expect and white not good.
word of advice.. if you are not sure if your move is good...chances are they are not.

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[go]$$Bcm16
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 8 7 . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X 6 X 2 5 O . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , 4 3 X . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

below is correct exchange IMO. that exchange is painful for black.

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[go]$$Bcm16 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . 2 O . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . 3 X . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . . |
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therfore below is correct play for black.

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[go]$$Bcm16 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . X . X . . O . . . . . O . . . . . |
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responding to attachment with hane, i see the cut coming

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[go]$$Wcm18 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O 3 O . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , 1 X X . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . |
$$ | . . 4 , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
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the top left corner is like a tsumego, im still working on the variations on my board
but no need to keep this post waiting...

Choice becomes Black's. What will you do, my friend?

ok i was thinking

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[go]$$Bcm20 Prisoners:
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$$ | . 3 . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O 2 O . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . . . . X . . . |
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just because im my prev var i found another prob see

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[go]$$Bcm20 Prisoners:
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$$ | . 4 . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O 2 O . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . . . . X . . . |
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That corner is super duper dead
but i dont like the other variation either, the first one because it has white looking real nice all over the left side, even though i lived in the corner, its still not good enough to win this game

so now im thinking something like

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$$ | . . X 5 X O 1 O . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . 6 5 2 3 9 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X 4 X O 1 O . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X 8 . O . . . . . X . . . |
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Nothing to say here.

shame on me i should have knew better than to think he would nobi, i gotta focus more, i can't go out like a punk im rambo

its his sente because i must eat this stone, he has alot of options, but its to early for him to play anywhere but the top left because he has a weak group so if i where him i would be thinking a-e

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[go]$$Bcm20 Prisoners: B:1
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a,d&e go with the sector line inside weak group rule previously commented in a earlier post

lets see what happens

This is the sound of a man shooting himself in the foot.

Shame on me for not thinking about this particular line. Early ko formation, not a great place for me to be ... stupid!

Ah well, let's see what I can come out of this with.

not to long ago i use to block the atari, now its more like bring on the KO!

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[go]$$Bcm20 Prisoners: B:1 W:1
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$$ | . . . 5 4 X . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . 6 X O . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X X . . O . . . . . X . . . |
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Dovie'andi se tovya sagain

I'm gonna lose more than I wanted to. Not terrible ... yet ... but I'm not doing so well.

Man, my early game choices seem to suck badly.

i love ko fights, but its not that many ko threats out there, i liked the one in my previous post but i like this one a little bit more on the global aspect, lets see

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[go]$$Bcm20 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . X O X . b . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . 6 X O . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . c O X X . . O . . a . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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maybe a few more, i'll keep looking, but if he ends the ko i will take n17

Done! I'll take my corner and keep you separated, thanks!