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 Post subject: Re: #158 - topazg vs speedchase
Post #81 Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 2:13 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The shape point is big enough for me now, I think. If he doesn't respond, I can then chase and split his two central groups, as he'll have no eye for this one. If he does respond, he will prepare my development on the left. It's rarely good I think to let your opponent's not yet settled group hassle one of your own in sente, so I'm hoping I can fix this in sente whilst removing some of his sente moves against my own group.
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 Post subject: Re: #158 - topazg vs speedchase
Post #82 Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 4:42 am 
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Am I the only one who thinks black's play (take territory, then immediately play to take the outside as well) is one often used by white in high handi games? :p

If black really shoudl win, this is the comment of the game for me :tmbup: But I agree, that it looks like that
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Post #83 Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:15 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Its move 35 and I have already done both of my major"DON"T DO IT's" getting sealed in and creating two weak groups ><
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Offline topazg
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Post #84 Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 12:57 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . 8 7 . X . O . . . . . O O . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Ok, let's follow this one through and decide if I split groups, or switch to the left...
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Post #85 Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 3:34 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #86 Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 3:08 am 
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$$ | . . . . . O X . X . O . . . . . O O . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It's the shape point, and if pushing and cutting is good for me, which it seems like it is here, then it's sente too - feels like a no-brainer move
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Post #87 Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:27 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . X C . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . X . O . . . . . O O . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

gets ahead and allows for a tigers mouth at the marked points
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Post #88 Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:10 pm 
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . X , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . X . O . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . X . . O X . . . . O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . , . . O X X X X . . . . O X . X |
$$ | . . . X . O . O O O . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


There's some very interesting L+D aji in the corner, and hopefully now I'm in a more interesting position on the left at least.

This game is looking rather less pessimistic than it was, although there's still a long way to go.

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Post #89 Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 6:40 am 
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . 3 , . . . . . , X . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . X , O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . O X . X . O . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . X . . O X . . . . O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . , . . O X X X X . . . . O X . X |
$$ | . . . X . O . O O O . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #90 Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:08 am 
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . X , O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . X . O . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . X . . O X . . . . O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . , . . O X X X X . . . . O X . X |
$$ | . . . X . O . O O O . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'll leave the lower left fun until the fuseki is over ... a few interesting dynamics going on here. I need to be a bit careful about Black's top side, but an invasion would have been outright greedy. Stopping the two right Black stones connecting up to the top right is pretty urgent after he reinforces here though, so I'll probably jump towards the middle with my group over there. I was hoping to start splitting his two central groups, but as one of them is pretty unkillable now it seems like a better strategy may be to look at eating the central top side whilst forcing them to connect to each other instead. That's the theory, anyway.
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . X , O . . |
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$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . X . O . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . X . . O X . . . . O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . , . . O X X X X . . . . O X . X |
$$ | . . . X . O . O O O . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I looked at this position for a while, and I think this is the best way to build a big top to make up for the disaster on the bottom.
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Post #92 Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 2:59 am 
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 O . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . X , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . X . O . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . X . . O X . . . . O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . , . . O X X X X . . . . O X . X |
$$ | . . . X . O . O O O . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I had to do some careful reading here, but I think this cut may be the way to go - I can't realistically pick up a great deal of points on the right hand side anyway, and Black has a few cutting points to concern himself with. There are too many continuations to try to show my reading, as it's bound to have gone wrong in a few places - essentially, if he blocks, I'm going to cut. I also want to look at D11 if I can find the time, but as this is virtually a contact play on my stone and he has fairly big followups, I think this is urgent enough to play now.
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . X , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . X , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . X . O . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . X . . O X . . . . O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . , . . O X X X X . . . . O X . X |
$$ | . . . X . O . O O O . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If I read it correctly, there is a ladder, but it goes to my stone. I expect the following instead
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[go]$$Bcm1 W:0 B:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . X , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 1 X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 2 O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 5 4 7 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . X , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . X . O . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . X . . O X . . . . O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . , . . O X X X X . . . . O X . X |
$$ | . . . X . O . O O O . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


he could also play :w4: at :w6: directly
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Post #94 Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:23 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm41 W:0 B:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . X , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . X , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . X . O . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . X . . O X . . . . O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . , . . O X X X X . . . . O X . X |
$$ | . . . X . O . O O O . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'll treat that as kikashi. I've got a few ideas for later now:

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[go]$$Bcm39 W:0 B:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . X , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 9 8 6 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . 0 X 7 X , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . X . O . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . X . . O X . . . . O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . , . . O X X X X . . . . O X . X |
$$ | . . . X . O . O O O . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm39 W:0 B:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . X , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 6 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X 8 X , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . 0 9 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . X . O . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . X . . O X . . . . O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . , . . O X X X X . . . . O X . X |
$$ | . . . X . O . O O O . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This looks really awkward for Black - I've chosen to play on the left as I can make some good points over there, and it properly prepares C4
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Post #95 Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 6:59 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm41 W:0 B:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . X , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . X , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . . 9 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . X . O . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . X . . O X . . . . O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . , . . O X X X X . . . . O X . X |
$$ | . . . X . O . O O O . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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The sequence :b35: to :b41: hurt the lower left shimari a lot.
It seems much better just to jump out directly:
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[go]$$B
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . X , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . X . . . a . . . . O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . , . . O X X X X . . . . O X . X |
$$ | . . . X . O . O O O . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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After :w42: ( :wc:), the lower left shimari is not happy.
Even the :black: peep (a) doesn't seem sente. A first feeling is the shape point :w1::
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[go]$$W
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . X , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . X . O . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . X . . O X . . . . O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . , a . O X X X X . . . . O X . X |
$$ | . . 1 X . O . O O O . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #98 Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 11:08 am 
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[go]$$Bcm41 W:0 B:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . X , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . X , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . . 9 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . X . O . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . X . . O X . . . . O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . 0 , . . O X X X X . . . . O X . X |
$$ | . . . X . O . O O O . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Ok, with my reinforcement, let's see what he has in mind. I think this is the point I want ...

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[go]$$Bcm51 W:0 B:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . X , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . X , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . X . O . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . 3 X 0 . O X . . . . O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O 1 . . O X X X X . . . . O X . X |
$$ | . . 2 X 9 O . O O O . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . 6 8 4 5 . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm51 W:0 B:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . X , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . X , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . X . O . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . X 1 a O X . . . . O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O 2 3 . O X X X X . . . . O X . X |
$$ | . . 4 X b O . O O O . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . 6 5 . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It's pretty awkward for Black if he tries to hold onto everything I think.

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[go]$$Bcm51 W:0 B:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . X , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . X , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . X . O . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . 4 X . . O X . . . . O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . 2 O 3 . . O X X X X . . . . O X . X |
$$ | . 5 1 X . O . O O O . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . 7 6 . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It may even be awkward if he doesn't...
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Post #99 Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:42 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm51 W:0 B:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . X , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . X , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . X . O . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . X . . O X . . . . O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O 1 . . O X X X X . . . . O X . X |
$$ | . . . X . O . O O O . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm51 W:0 B:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . X , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . X , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . a . O X . X . O . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . X . . O X . . . . O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O 1 . . O X X X X . . . . O X . X |
$$ | . . . X . O . O O O . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


He is trying to kill me? interesting. I think that a would allow me to threaten to break out and connect my stones at the same time so I am safe. maybe this is just a sente reduction.
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Post #100 Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 2:20 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm51 W:0 B:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . X , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . X , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . X . O . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . X . . O X . . . . O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O 1 . . O X X X X . . . . O X . X |
$$ | . . 2 X . O . O O O . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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