Life In 19x19 :: #163 Boidhre vs Drewch

Decisions, decisions. If I go into his moyo I disrupt a lot more than he can disrupt but I get cut off from my closest neighbouring stone and my "connection" to my bottom centre group is very weak.

However I think he is forced to cut if I nobe south:

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However this gives me very bad shape and weakens my O10 stone considerably.

However:

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Is little better because of a.

So I think I prefer the following:

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Aiming for the cut at a.

Or the continuation:

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Where the ladder works.

Author:	Boidhre [ Tue May 22, 2012 8:52 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: #163 Boidhre vs Drewch
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Author:	Drewch [ Mon May 28, 2012 8:23 am ]
Post subject:	Re: #163 Boidhre vs Drewch
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Author:	Boidhre [ Mon May 28, 2012 9:24 am ]
Post subject:	Re: #163 Boidhre vs Drewch
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Author:	Drewch [ Mon May 28, 2012 10:22 am ]
Post subject:	Re: #163 Boidhre vs Drewch
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Author:	Boidhre [ Mon May 28, 2012 10:23 am ]
Post subject:	Re: #163 Boidhre vs Drewch
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Author:	Drewch [ Mon May 28, 2012 10:29 am ]
Post subject:	Re: #163 Boidhre vs Drewch
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Author:	Boidhre [ Mon May 28, 2012 10:42 am ]
Post subject:	Re: #163 Boidhre vs Drewch
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Author:	jts [ Mon May 28, 2012 10:53 am ]
Post subject:	Re: #163 Boidhre vs Drewch
@boidhre Generally a hane refers to a diagonal attachment move when you're left with a cutting point. The move you're referring to is generally called a "turn". As no doubt knew already, they have slightly different implications.

Author:	Boidhre [ Mon May 28, 2012 10:55 am ]
Post subject:	Re: #163 Boidhre vs Drewch
jts wrote: @boidhre Generally a hane refers to a diagonal attachment move when you're left with a cutting point. The move you're referring to is generally called a "turn". As no doubt knew already, they have slightly different implications. Thanks jts, I did not know the distinction in terms.

Author:	Drewch [ Mon May 28, 2012 10:58 am ]
Post subject:	Re: #163 Boidhre vs Drewch
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Author:	Boidhre [ Mon May 28, 2012 11:18 am ]
Post subject:	Re: #163 Boidhre vs Drewch
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm67 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . X O . . . . . O . . . X . . . X . \| $$ \| . . X , . O . . . , . . O X . X X O . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . \| $$ \| . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X . . . . . O . . . . 4 . . O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . . O X . . X X O . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . X O O O . . . X X X O . . \| $$ \| . . O , X . X O . X . . O O X O O X . \| $$ \| . . . . X O O . . . . O . . O X X O . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] Reduces his moyo, sketches out something of a framework for myself, though I will have to reduce the bottom "moyo" (I'm not sure if it is one) to finish the job. I have the ladder in case he tries to cut the knight's jump.

Author:	EdLee [ Mon May 28, 2012 11:47 am ]
Post subject:
Boidhre, Boidhre wrote: A hane at Q15 would be a decent follow-up. jts wrote: Generally a hane refers to a diagonal attachment move when you're left with a cutting point. The move you're referring to is generally called a "turn". Boidhre wrote: Thanks jts, I did not know the distinction in terms. You probably already know this: in general -- except for the usual infinite exceptions -- the Q15 solid turn shape is much thicker than the hane. For example, in this standard sequence, connecting at (a) is a big move for B; likewise, if tenuki, then cutting at (a) is also a big move for W. ( connecting at (a) changes the hane shape to the solid "turn" shape.) Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$ $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . $$ \| . . O , 1 a . . . , $$ \| . . . 4 2 3 . . . . $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . $$ ---------------------[/go]` jts wrote: As no doubt knew already, they have slightly different implications. Perhaps jts was being modest, but in general (again except for the infinite exceptions ), the implications are much more than "slightly".

Author:	Boidhre [ Mon May 28, 2012 11:52 am ]
Post subject:	Re:
EdLee wrote: Boidhre, Boidhre wrote: A hane at Q15 would be a decent follow-up. jts wrote: Generally a hane refers to a diagonal attachment move when you're left with a cutting point. The move you're referring to is generally called a "turn". Boidhre wrote: Thanks jts, I did not know the distinction in terms. You probably already know this: in general -- except for the usual infinite exceptions -- the Q15 solid turn shape is much thicker than the hane. For example, in this standard sequence, connecting at (a) is a big move for B; likewise, if tenuki, then cutting at (a) is also a big move for W. ( connecting at (a) changes the hane shape to the solid "turn" shape.) Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$ $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . $$ \| . . O , 1 a . . . , $$ \| . . . 4 2 3 . . . . $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . $$ ---------------------[/go]` jts wrote: As no doubt knew already, they have slightly different implications. Perhaps jts was being modest, but in general (again except for the infinite exceptions ), the implications are much more than "slightly". Ed, Thanks Ed, that helps turn implicit knowledge into explicit knowledge.

Author:	jts [ Mon May 28, 2012 1:37 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: #163 Boidhre vs Drewch
@ed & boidhre, I figured that explaining why a turn is more powerful than a hane in explicit terms might affect the game.

Author:	Boidhre [ Sun Jun 17, 2012 11:08 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: #163 Boidhre vs Drewch
This has been pretty dead due to Drewch moving house and all that stress and hassle in his life, but for the record I'm putting this on hold until in a mentally more sound place. Sorry all (not that you'll be missing much with how I've been playing here!!).

Author:	Boidhre [ Sun Aug 26, 2012 1:58 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: #163 Boidhre vs Drewch
I'm feeling better, how about you Drewch?

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Author:	Drewch [ Mon May 28, 2012 6:17 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: #163 Boidhre vs Drewch
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm67 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . X O . . . . . O . . . X . . . X . \| $$ \| . . X , . O . . . , . . O X . X X O . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . \| $$ \| . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X . . . . . O . . . . 4 . . O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . 5 6 . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . . O X . . X X O . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . X O O O . . . X X X O . . \| $$ \| . . O , X . X O . X . . O O X O O X . \| $$ \| . . . . X O O . . . . O . . O X X O . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Author:	Boidhre [ Mon May 28, 2012 10:57 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: #163 Boidhre vs Drewch
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm67 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . X O . . . . . O . . . X . . . X . \| $$ \| . . X , . O . . . , . . O X . X X O . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . \| $$ \| . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X . . . . . O . . 7 . 4 . . O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . 5 6 . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . . O X . . X X O . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . X O O O . . . X X X O . . \| $$ \| . . O , X . X O . X . . O O X O O X . \| $$ \| . . . . X O O . . . . O . . O X X O . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] Decisions, decisions. If I go into his moyo I disrupt a lot more than he can disrupt but I get cut off from my closest neighbouring stone and my "connection" to my bottom centre group is very weak. However I think he is forced to cut if I nobe south: Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm67 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . X O . . . . . O . . . X . . . X . \| $$ \| . . X , . O . . . , . . O X . X X O . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . \| $$ \| . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X . . . . . O . . 9 . 4 . . O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . 5 6 . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X , . . . . . , . 7 8 X . , X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . . O X . . X X O . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . X O O O . . . X X X O . . \| $$ \| . . O , X . X O . X . . O O X O O X . \| $$ \| . . . . X O O . . . . O . . O X X O . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] However this gives me very bad shape and weakens my O10 stone considerably. However: Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm69 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . X O . . . . . O . . . X . . . X . \| $$ \| . . X , . O . . . , . . O X . X X O . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . \| $$ \| . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X . . . . . O . . . . 2 . . O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . 9 3 4 . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X , . . . . . , 7 6 5 X . , X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . a . 8 . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . . O X . . X X O . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . X O O O . . . X X X O . . \| $$ \| . . O , X . X O . X . . O O X O O X . \| $$ \| . . . . X O O . . . . O . . O X X O . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] Is little better because of a. So I think I prefer the following: Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm67 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . X O . . . . . O . . . X . . . X . \| $$ \| . . X , . O . . . , . . O X . X X O . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . 9 O O . \| $$ \| . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . O . . . . . . . . a . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X . . . . . O . . 7 . 4 . . O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . 5 6 . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X , . . . . . , . . 8 X . , X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . . O X . . X X O . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . X O O O . . . X X X O . . \| $$ \| . . O , X . X O . X . . O O X O O X . \| $$ \| . . . . X O O . . . . O . . O X X O . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] Aiming for the cut at a. Or the continuation: Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm69 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . X O . . . . . O . . . X . . . X . \| $$ \| . . X , . O . . . , . . O X . X X O . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . 5 O O . \| $$ \| . . . X O . . . . . . . . . 7 6 . . . \| $$ \| . . . . O . . . . . . . . 9 . 8 . . . \| $$ \| . . X . . . . . O . . 3 . O . . O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X , . . . . . , . . 4 X . , X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . . O X . . X X O . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . X O O O . . . X X X O . . \| $$ \| . . O , X . X O . X . . O O X O O X . \| $$ \| . . . . X O O . . . . O . . O X X O . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm77 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . X O . . . . . O . . . X . . . X . \| $$ \| . . X , . O . . . , . . O X . X X O . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . X O O . \| $$ \| . . . X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . . \| $$ \| . . . . O . . . . . . . 2 X 4 O . . . \| $$ \| . . X . . . . . O . . X 3 O . . O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . X O 5 . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X , . . . . . , . . O X . , X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . . O X . . X X O . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . X O O O . . . X X X O . . \| $$ \| . . O , X . X O . X . . O O X O O X . \| $$ \| . . . . X O O . . . . O . . O X X O . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] Where the ladder works.

Author:	EdLee [ Tue May 29, 2012 12:53 am ]
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is impossible.

Author:	Marcus [ Wed May 30, 2012 8:36 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: #163 Boidhre vs Drewch
My first thought when I saw was "OW!OW!OW!OW!OW!OW!OW!OW! ..."