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Offline hyperpape
 Post subject: Re: #171 Hyperpape vs. illluck
Post #161 Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 4:12 pm 
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[go]$$Wm88
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X X X X X O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . , . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 8 X X O X X X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . O X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . O . O X O O O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . O O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . O . . O X X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . X X . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
It's extremely unclear what I would play at this point. There's a very high branching factor.

I wonder if he's counting. I think that the forcing moves that White gets will be very nice if Black doesn't play at :b95:

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Offline illluck
 Post subject: Re: #171 Hyperpape vs. illluck
Post #162 Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:41 am 
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[go]$$Wm88 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X X X X X O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . , . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 8 . X X O X X X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . O X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . O . O X O O O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . O O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . O . . O X X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . X X . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm surprised that white is confident enough to think that either he can live inside after giving me a move or he doesn't need to live to win. My move might be a bit overconfident, but I'm not seeing a clear way to white life and other moves leave other weaknesses in addition to being smaller.
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Offline hyperpape
 Post subject: Re: #171 Hyperpape vs. illluck
Post #163 Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:21 am 
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I don't yet understand why this move would be better than the simple stretch I pointed out.

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 Post subject: Re: #171 Hyperpape vs. illluck
Post #164 Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 10:57 pm 
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I know I play incredibly slowly regardless, but this week has been incredibly busy. I should be able to make a move Monday or Tuesday.

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Offline illluck
 Post subject: Re: #171 Hyperpape vs. illluck
Post #165 Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 11:47 am 
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Don't worry about it at all - I've been pretty busy too so my responses will be slow too :)
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 Post subject: Re: #171 Hyperpape vs. illluck
Post #166 Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:01 pm 
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[go]$$Wm96 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X X X X X O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . , . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . O O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X 1 X X O X X X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . 3 O X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . O . O X O O O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . O O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . O . . O X X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . X X . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
If you atari, I'll connect. If not, then play your alternative.

This could be crude and/or burn some aji, but I really think I need to live in sente, and playing here makes an eye while retaining sente.

My counting is not so hot, but I am considering resigning if must live in gote. I count that he has as much territory on the board as I do, but he also has a lot of potential around the triangled area. We'll see: it will require more thought than I've given it so far, as there are some big areas left on the board.

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[go]$$Wm88 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . C X X X X X O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . T . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . T . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . , . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . C X . . O O . . X . |
$$ | . . . C . . . . . X O X X O X X X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . O O X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . O . O X O O O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . O O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . O . . O X X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . X X . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline illluck
 Post subject: Re: #171 Hyperpape vs. illluck
Post #167 Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 12:05 am 
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Sorry, personal laptop's keyboard stopped working due to humidity.

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[go]$$Wm96 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X X X X X O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . , . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X 4 . O O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O X X O X X X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . O O X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . O . O X O O O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . O O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . O . . O X X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . X X . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

My main aim here is to kill off the white stones as cleanly as possible.
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Offline hyperpape
 Post subject: Re: #171 Hyperpape vs. illluck
Post #168 Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 4:25 pm 
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[go]$$Wm96 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X X X X X O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . , . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 2 4 . O O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 5 X 1 X X O X X X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . 3 O X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . O . O X O O O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . O O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . O . . O X X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . X X . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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 Post subject: Re: #171 Hyperpape vs. illluck
Post #169 Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:26 pm 
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I just want to make sure you're not playing because of keyboard/time troubles, and not because my last post slipped under your radar. Take as much time as you'd like.

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 Post subject: Re: #171 Hyperpape vs. illluck
Post #170 Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:36 pm 
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Opps! Keyboard issue has been resolved, just that I've been working a bit of overtime (busy season for auditors) and so I've procrastinated a while ago and then managed to forget I had to make a move :oops:

I'll respond this weekend :)
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 Post subject: Re: #171 Hyperpape vs. illluck
Post #171 Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 5:24 pm 
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[go]$$Wm96 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X X X X X O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . , . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 6 X X . O O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X O X X O X X X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . O O X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . O . O X O O O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . O O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . O . . O X X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . X X . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The reason I didn't immediately respond was because I had trouble deciding between the tiger mouth and the connect. Often the connect is better because it doesn't give white the atari, but I felt like the tiger mouth helps centre a bit more. I still ended up playing the connect because it's more sente-ish. Another move I briefly considered was the push through, but the cutting point is too dangerous.
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 Post subject: Re: #171 Hyperpape vs. illluck
Post #172 Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 3:25 am 
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Post #173 Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:21 am 
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Seen. I'm trying to count, but I'm also packing in preparation for closing on a house next Wednesday.

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Post #174 Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:05 pm 
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Bump? Or motion to just read the comments?
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 Post subject: Re: #171 Hyperpape vs. illluck
Post #175 Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 5:36 am 
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I resign.

I'll try to say more later, but my lad attempt to count put you well ahead, with just a minuscule chance that I could somehow find enough points to reverse the game.

Well played, and thank you for the game.

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Post #176 Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 9:24 am 
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Thank you for the game. I agree that I think the game is a bit easier for black, but there are still quite a lot of unsettled areas so it's really hard to say for sure. I look forward to reading some comments when I have a bit more time tonight :)
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