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 Post subject: Re: #172 - opex vs blindgod
Post #21 Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:49 am 
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Post #22 Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:58 am 
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[go]$$Wcm18 Captures: black - 0, white - 0.
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Post #23 Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 8:56 am 
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Post #24 Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:24 am 
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I don't like any other move
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Post #25 Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:13 am 
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As white, I think I would have played H3. sente against the left group, seals it in, threatens to make good territory on the bottom.

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Post #26 Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:33 am 
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It was either this or L17. I feel strongly that I'm one move behind where I'd be comfortable.

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Post #27 Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:42 am 
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[go]$$Wcm22 Captures: black - 0, white - 0.
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Post #28 Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:23 pm 
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For me, it was a decision between this and K17. Thought about C9 or R11 but decided this is bigger than the former and more urgent than the latter.

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Post #29 Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:50 pm 
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No love for J17? :(

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emeraldemon,
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As white, I think I would have played H3. sente against the left group, seals it in...
Did you mean G3 ( :w1:), not H3 (x)? What's your variation to end in sente for W?
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Post #31 Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:53 am 
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I can't find the good move. Let's play to the point where black should have played according to the joseki.

Some variations I considered:
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[go]$$Wcm24 Feels sad
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[go]$$Wcm24 No attack anymore
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[go]$$Wcm24 Black feels better
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[go]$$Wcm24 Left group watches the growing wall
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Post #32 Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 2:11 pm 
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Sorry for being gone so long. I'm back to a normal schedule now so I shouldn't be gone again.

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Post #33 Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 4:05 pm 
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Hm, I didn't expect that move. It seems low.. Well, if he wants to crawl on the second line, I'm fine with it, I'll have a wall. If he doesn't want me to make the wall, I'll try to cut the group and make him run.
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[go]$$Wcm26 Captures: black - 0, white - 0.
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Post #34 Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 5:06 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm24 Captures: black - 0, white - 0.
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Feel so uninspired.

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Not for players until the upper top left is completely settled, which may take forever. :)
( For beginners. ) :b25: and :w26: are both bad basics. :b25: ( :bt:) is bad because after :w1:,
B makes W stronger and B makes a kind of Broken Shape for himself:
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[go]$$W
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Broken Shape for B:
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[go]$$W
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
Of course, :w26: is bad because W missed :w1: -- W is very happy to block with :w1:.

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blindgod wrote:
Feel so uninspired.
( For beginners. ) With :b27:, B failed to notice W's shape problems. B should try to read :b1:, to see if B can push out and split W.
B can always connect later if necessary with (a):
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[go]$$B
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
W cannot hane :w2:, since (b) and (c) are miai for B:
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[go]$$B
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So W can only pull back with :w2: (or jump to (d), depending on the reading):
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[go]$$B
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Post #37 Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 9:26 am 
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It should be sente. So should be san-san invasion. But if he ignores san-san and goes :w28:, I'll have a weak group facing his growing influence on the right. If he ignores this move, he will be cut and suffer :twisted:
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[go]$$Wcm28 Captures: black - 0, white - 0.
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Post #38 Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:27 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm24 Captures: black - 0, white - 0.
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Post #39 Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 10:27 am 
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Yes, I meant G3, that was a typo. Of course white has to defend the hane, but can black tennuki afterwards?

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[go]$$Wcm1 :b6: elsewhere
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[go]$$Bcm8 Sacrifice the corner?
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$$ | . X O O 4 3 O . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . X X X 2 X O . . . . O . . . O O X . |
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[go]$$Bcm8 Dead and nowhere to run
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$$ | . X O O . . O . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . X X X 1 X O . . . . O . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . O 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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emeraldemon,
Variation, instead of :w20::
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[go]$$W
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$$ | . 3 5 . O . c . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . 2 O O . b O . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . 4 X X . X 1 . . . . O . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . 6 a . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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It seems even if :w7: at (a), which is gote, the bottom is not that big, and still not W's territory yet.
Also, if the situation changes later, B still has the push (b) and cut (c),
and the :w1:- :b6: exchange may turn out to be not good for W (the :w1: group may become heavy?).
I'm not sure. :)

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