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 Post subject: Re: #179 - DJLLAP vs opex
Post #141 Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:30 am 
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[go]$$Wcm92 Captures: b - 1, w - 7.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X O . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . O X . . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . 2 1 O . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #142 Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 1:50 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm94 Bad
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X O . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 6 2 . X . . O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . O X . . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . 5 X O O 1 O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 3 X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . 4 . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Wcm94 Resign ( :w98: connects)
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X O . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 1 X . 6 O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . O # 3 4 O 7 O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X O O 2 O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Let's see how the following turns out
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[go]$$Wcm94 Captures: b - 1, w - 7.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X O . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . O X 1 . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X O O . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #143 Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 2:09 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm94 Captures: b - 1, w - 7.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X O . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 2 X . . O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . O X 1 . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X O O . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #144 Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 1:16 am 
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[go]$$Wcm96 Captures: b - 1, w - 7.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X O . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 X X . . O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X O O . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'm having a bad feeling about it. It seems i have too many weaknesses to win this game.

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Post #145 Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 11:01 am 
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[go]$$Wcm96 Captures: b - 1, w - 7.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X O . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X X . 2 O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X O O . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I am very happy now, though I am not at all assured of victory. I can capture those three cutting stones if he doesn't defend. Now is when his previous mistake of not making an eye here is reaped. I am fairly sure that I can eihther kill, or get a profitable attack out of one of these two W groups.

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Post #146 Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 12:33 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm98 Captures: b - 1, w - 7.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X O . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X X . X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X O O 1 O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I guess the only way for me is a game-deciding ko
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[go]$$Wcm98
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X O . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . O . 5 4 X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X X 3 X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . O X O 6 O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X O O 1 O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 2 X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #147 Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 4:47 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm98 Captures: b - 1, w - 7.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X O . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X X . X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 2 X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



Solid move that keeps the attack on both groups as neither can escape now. if he cannot capture my cutting stones it seems difficult for both groups to survive.

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Post #148 Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:35 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm100 Captures: b - 1, w - 7.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X O . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X X 1 X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #149 Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:26 am 
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[go]$$Wcm100 Captures: b - 1, w - 7.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X O . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X X 1 X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Isn't this aji-keshi because of the shortage of liberties for white?

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Post #150 Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:25 am 
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[go]$$Wcm100 Captures: b - 1, w - 7.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X O . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . O . . 2 X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X X O X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



I didn't even have to think about this one. Its like Christmas. I guess this ko is what W is going for, but I can probably ignore any threats. Once I capture the marked stone group, the whole right side is in danger of being captured.

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[go]$$Wcm100 Captures: b - 1, w - 7.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X O . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . O . 3 2 X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X X 1 X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . O X O 4 O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O W O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #151 Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:35 am 
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DJLLAP wrote:

I didn't even have to think about this one. Its like Christmas.


Maybe thinking would have been better. This way white doesn't even have a ko to cut black's stone so the only hope is to surround them from above.


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[go]$$Wcm100 Captures: b - 1, w - 7.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X O . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . O . 2 . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X X O X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #152 Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 2:00 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm102 Captures: b - 1, w - 7.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X O . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . O . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X X O X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . 1 . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Phew, he didn't notice extension:
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[go]$$Wcm100 Not even a ko: black connects unconditionally
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X O . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . O . 2 3 X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X X O X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
So did i when posting that move. Good thoughts come afterwards.

But still i have changed my mind. If i play this HUGE ko, even if i do find a big threat, black will almost certainly take the ko. I haven't found a threat that gives me enough to counter losing the two groups. So i have decided to connect one group and see if the other group can build life by threatening to surround black stones.

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Post #153 Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 2:46 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm102 Captures: b - 1, w - 7.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X O . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . O . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X X O X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . 1 . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Protect the cut, make it harder for w to make eyespace up top.

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Post #154 Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:48 am 
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[go]$$Wcm104 Captures: b - 1, w - 7.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X O . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . 1 . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . O . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X X O X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Attach to defend

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Post #155 Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 3:22 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm104 Captures: b - 1, w - 7.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X O . . X 2 . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . 1 . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . O . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X X O X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think solid is the way to go here. It might be a little slack, but I I allow complications my cutting stones may be captured.

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Post #156 Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:12 am 
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[go]$$Wcm104 Captures: b - 1, w - 7.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X O . . X X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . O . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . 3 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . O . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X X O X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I don't see immediate life. So capturing something is the only hope

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Post #157 Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 8:36 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm104 Captures: b - 1, w - 7.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X O . . X X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . O . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . 3 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . 4 . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . O . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X X O X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think worst case scenario this leads to Life in gote while allowing W to connect his two groups.

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Post #158 Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 12:53 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm108 Captures: b - 1, w - 7.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X O . . X X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . O . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . X 1 . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . O . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X X O X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Extending does not put enough pressure on him, so i guess i have to hane.

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Post #159 Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 9:22 am 
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[go]$$Wcm108 Captures: b - 1, w - 7.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X O . . X X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . O . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . 2 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . X 1 . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . O . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X X O X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



The only move (unless I am wrong)

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Post #160 Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 12:23 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm110 Captures: b - 1, w - 7.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X O . . X X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . O . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . 1 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . O . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X X O X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
At first i was going to play another hane, but then found these variants:
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[go]$$Bcm111 :b21: at a
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X O . . X X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O 9 O 8 0 . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . a 7 O 1 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . 3 X O 2 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . O 4 . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X X O X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . O X O 5 O 6 O X . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

White loses semeai if cuts at L17, so black connects. If i let him live inside, he still can cut me:
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[go]$$Bcm111 :b21: at a
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X O . . X X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O a O 0 4 . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . 9 O 1 8 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . 3 X O 2 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 6 5 X . . X O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . O 7 . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X X O X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . O X O . O . O X . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X O O O O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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