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Offline Redundant
 Post subject: Re: 37. Redundant (4k) vs. Marcus (4k)
Post #141 Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 6:45 am 
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[go]$$Bcm95 Move 95 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . X . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . . O . O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X O . . X . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X . X X X . X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O O . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . 1 O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This was a very good move by my opponent. He hit one of my blind spots.

My response here doesn't quite work, but gets very complicated. This move means that he must connect his two stones to the left side. Also, I get the hane at M1 in sente, which helps me to make an eye on the bottom. The problem is that in the many variations I've looked at, if I get the eye on the bottom, he gets a throw in to kill my eye at l4. I'll see how he responds. Also, even if he kills me locally, I might be able to get an eye in the center.
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Offline Redundant
 Post subject: Re: 37. Redundant (4k) vs. Marcus (4k)
Post #142 Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 7:34 am 
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Good News, Everybody!

I'm going to live ... I think.

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[go]$$Bcm1 Move 95 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . X . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . . O a O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O b . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X X X . c . . 5 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X O . . X . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X 3 X X X . X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X 2 O O . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O 4 . . . . 1 O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I can get 3 in sente, so after 5, I can cut at either a, b, or c. I'm fairly certain I can win the capturing race. I might not be able to cut directly at c, but the weakness there is enough.
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Offline daniel_the_smith
 Post subject: Re: 37. Redundant (4k) vs. Marcus (4k)
Post #143 Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:36 am 
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Why doesn't black play like this? White goes down in flames, no?

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[go]$$Bc Move 95 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . X . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . . O 2 O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O 5 . 1 . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X X X . 4 3 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X O . . X . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X . X X X . X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O O . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . X O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Marcus
 Post subject: Re: 37. Redundant (4k) vs. Marcus (4k)
Post #144 Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 5:48 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm96 Move 96 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . X . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . . O . O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X O . . X . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X . X X X . X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X 1 O O . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . X O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This move is forced, if I want to keep those stones alive.
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Offline Redundant
 Post subject: Re: 37. Redundant (4k) vs. Marcus (4k)
Post #145 Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 6:04 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm97 Move 97 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . X . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . . O . O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X O . . X . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X 1 X X X . X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X O O O . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . X O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'm dead locally. However,

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[go]$$Bcm97 Diag
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . X . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O b 6 O 4 O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O 5 . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X X X . a 7 . 3 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X O . . X . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X 1 X X X . X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X O O O . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O 2 . . . . X O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

a and b are miai to cut. I win the capturing race. Of course, white can protect his weakness at l10 differently. However, everything I looked at has him cut and captured.
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Offline Marcus
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Post #146 Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:06 am 
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[go]$$Wcm98 Move 98 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . X . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . . O . O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X O . . X . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X X X X X . X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X O O O . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O 1 . . . . X O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Not much choice here.
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Offline Redundant
 Post subject: Re: 37. Redundant (4k) vs. Marcus (4k)
Post #147 Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:33 am 
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[go]$$Bcm99 Move 99 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . X . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . . O . O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X X X . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X O . . X . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X X X X X . X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X O O O . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Let's hope that I haven't misread.
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Post #148 Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:36 am 
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[go]$$Bcm101 Move 101 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . X . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . . O 1 O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O . W 2 3 5 . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X X X . . 9 7 X 4 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O . 8 6 0 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X O . . X . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X X X X X . X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X O O O . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


May not be Black that scores a kill here ..
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Offline daniel_the_smith
 Post subject: Re: 37. Redundant (4k) vs. Marcus (4k)
Post #149 Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:44 am 
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I think this still works for black.

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . X . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . . O . O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O . W . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X X X . . 1 . B . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X O . . X . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X X X X X . X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X O O O . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Marcus
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Post #150 Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 1:08 pm 
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Taking some time here.

... that's not a peep ... must read ... more later ...
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Post #151 Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 11:15 am 
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[go]$$Wcm100 Move 100 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . X . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . . O . O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O . 1 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X O . . X . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X X X X X . X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X O O O . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Here we go ...

I don't think I can win this. My only chance is this line of play, I think. All others lead to me getting cut off. A couple possible lines of play:

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[go]$$Wcm100 Wishful thinking?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . X . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . 4 O 3 O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O 6 5 . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X X X . 0 8 7 X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O 9 1 2 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X O . . X . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X X X X X . X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X O O O . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm100 A more complicated wishful thinking ... a to g in order continue the line of thought
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . e X f . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O g . O 6 O b . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O . 9 7 8 . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X X X . . 5 2 X 0 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O . 1 3 4 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X O . c X a O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X d X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X X X X X . X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X O O O . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Anyways, it's make or break now.
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 Post subject: Re: 37. Redundant (4k) vs. Marcus (4k)
Post #152 Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:09 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm101 Move 101 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . X . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . . O . O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O . O 1 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X O . . X . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X X X X X . X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X O O O . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



An example of how I work out variations for this game. I mostly just open up the diagram, and play out most local responses. I should be able to live here. Some of these variations are probably atrocious, but they are sufficient for me to say that this move makes me live. If my honorable opponent plays well, he can probably save his stones. I also considered k8 as a possible move, but the cut wasn't well protected.
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Offline Marcus
 Post subject: Re: 37. Redundant (4k) vs. Marcus (4k)
Post #153 Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:43 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm102 Move 102 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . X . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . . O 1 O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X O . . X . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X X X X X . X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X O O O . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Time to pay the piper ... will I survive?
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Post #154 Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:49 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm103 Move 103 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . X . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . . O O O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X X X . . . 1 X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X O . . X . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X X X X X . X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X O O O . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

He can let me take an eye here, or die.
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . X . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . 3 O O O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O 4 5 . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X X X . . 2 1 X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X O . . X . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X X X X X . X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X O O O . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

versus

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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . X . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . . O O O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O 2 . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X X X . 6 5 1 X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O 3 O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X O 4 7 X . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X X X X X . X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X O O O . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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 Post subject: Re: 37. Redundant (4k) vs. Marcus (4k)
Post #155 Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 1:00 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm104 Move 104 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . X . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . . O O O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X X X . . . X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X O . . X . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X X X X X . X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X O O O . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


At this point, I shall resign, as you and I will both live, but I am far behind. Thank you for the game. I hope observers got something out of my flailing about. :D

In a timed game, I would probably play at E12 and try for the following:

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[go]$$Wcm104 One final effort ...
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . 4 X 1 . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X 3 2 X X X 9 . X . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . 6 O O O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O 7 8 . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X X X . . 5 X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X O . . X . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X X X X X . X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X O O O . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . X O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


You have plenty of time to read it out, though, and I think it should be easily manageable. Do you think something like this sequence is poor form? It would be my last ditch attempt at life, before a resignation in a KGS game.
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 Post subject: Re: 37. Redundant (4k) vs. Marcus (4k)
Post #156 Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 1:03 pm 
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Thank you very much for the game. You almost had me. I didn't read out at all if I could get one eye on the bottom. I took the two stones mostly because I wanted to convince myself that the atari had been sente.
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