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Offline topazg
 Post subject: Re: #181 magicwand vs topazg (again!)
Post #181 Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:13 am 
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[go]$$Bcm141 Prisoners: :b100: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . W O . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O O X . O 1 X O O X , X X . |
$$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . |
$$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'll take gote to take this point, because not only is it at least reverse sente, it also changes the status of all these stones in the middle:

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[go]$$Bcm141 Prisoners: :b100: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . X X X O . b . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O X . B W X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O O X . W 1 X O O X , X X . |
$$ | X . X O X O O X . X W . . . X . X O . |
$$ | O X X X X X X X . X . a . X . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . |
$$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Now I have a nice followup at "a", and the capture at "b" is sente if White tenukis now.


EDIT:

I can now also aim at this ko:

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[go]$$Bcm141 Prisoners: :b100: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O 3 . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | O O . O . . . 4 O 5 O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . W O . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O O X . O 1 X O O X , X X . |
$$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . |
$$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Or, if I get that move in my previous sequence in the top left:


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[go]$$Bcm141 Prisoners: :b100: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X B . . . . . . . . X O O . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 3 O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | O O . O 2 4 5 . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O O X . O X X O O X , X X . |
$$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . |
$$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: #181 magicwand vs topazg (again!)
Post #182 Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:43 am 
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G17

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Offline topazg
 Post subject: Re: #181 magicwand vs topazg (again!)
Post #183 Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:52 am 
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[go]$$Bcm141 Prisoners: :b100: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . 3 . . . . . . X O O . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X 2 X . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . W O . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O O X . O 1 X O O X , X X . |
$$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . |
$$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: #181 magicwand vs topazg (again!)
Post #184 Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 7:09 am 
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OGS: magicwand
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[go]$$Bcm141 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . 3 . . . . . 4 X O O . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X 2 X . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . W O . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O O X . O 1 X O O X , X X . |
$$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . |
$$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

big!
edit
43-44 trade was to protect the cut by ko.

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Offline topazg
 Post subject: Re: #181 magicwand vs topazg (again!)
Post #185 Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:34 am 
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[go]$$Bcm141 Prisoners: :b100: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . 3 . . . . 7 4 X O O . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X 2 X . . X . O 5 X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . W O . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O O X . O 1 X O O X , X X . |
$$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . |
$$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If you want to accept :)
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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: #181 magicwand vs topazg (again!)
Post #186 Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:58 am 
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OGS: magicwand
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[go]$$Bcm141 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . 3 . . . . 7 4 X O O . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X 2 X . . X . O 5 X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . W O . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O O X . O 1 X O O X , X X . |
$$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . |
$$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X 8 . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i did quick count and i am down few points... i will make something happen here.

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Offline topazg
 Post subject: Re: #181 magicwand vs topazg (again!)
Post #187 Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:59 am 
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[go]$$Bcm141 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . 3 . . . . 7 4 X O O . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X 2 X . . X . O 5 X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . W O . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O O X . O 1 X O O X , X X . |
$$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . |
$$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . . 9 . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X 8 . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Time to test all that reading earlier ..
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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: #181 magicwand vs topazg (again!)
Post #188 Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:02 am 
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i can not live by itself. but after below...how is he going to answer???? it is still a fight.... and i have nothing to lose. it is a fight and i think whit will win this. (but i am not sure)
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[go]$$Bcm151 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . . . . X O X O O . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X O X . . X . O X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O O X . O X X O O X , X X . |
$$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . |
$$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . 1 X . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . O |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X 2 . 5 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 3 4 . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm141 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . 3 . . . . 7 4 X O O . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X 2 X . . X . O 5 X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . W O . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O O X . O 1 X O O X , X X . |
$$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . |
$$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . . 9 . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X 8 . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . 0 |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline topazg
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Post #189 Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:36 am 
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[go]$$Bcm151 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . . . . X O X O O . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X O X . . X . O X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O O X . O X X O O X , X X . |
$$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . |
$$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . 1 X . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . O |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Tell me this is at best a J group :(
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Offline Magicwand
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Post #190 Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:51 am 
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[go]$$Bcm151 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . . . . X O X O O . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X O X . . X . O X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O O X . O X X O O X , X X . |
$$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . |
$$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . 1 X . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . O |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #191 Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:32 am 
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[go]$$Bcm151 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . . . . X O X O O . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X O X . . X . O X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O O X . O X X O O X , X X . |
$$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . |
$$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . 1 X . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . O |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X 2 . 5 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 4 . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If you accept :)

I've been doing some reading. The good news is, it's a J group. The bad news is, it's ko. I had completely forgotten I need to be able to ignore his hane on the other side (at :w56: ), as a result, I need to think very carefully about my :b57: after counting ko threats. At least I have some reasonable ones, but so does he.
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Post #192 Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:06 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm151 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . . . . X O X O O . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X O X . . X . O X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O O X . O X X O O X , X X . |
$$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . |
$$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . 1 X . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . O |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X 2 . 5 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 C 4 . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #193 Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:26 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm151 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . . . . X O X O O . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X O X . . X . O X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O O X . O X X O O X , X X . |
$$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . |
$$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . 1 X 7 |
$$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . O |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X 2 . 5 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 C 4 . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Did I misread? Did magicwand? Is this now a dead J? Can anyone help?
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Post #194 Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:35 pm 
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What did you expect Magicwand to play?

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Post #195 Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:43 pm 
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@topazg et al

Yes, Magicwand screwed up. With the hane on the right the J group is a ko. He could also have made a ko by descending instead of making the hanging connection to make a straight J group. He could also make a less good ko after the hanging connection by playing 52 at s3. Instead he died.

Graham, before Magicwand started action in this corner what did you think the status was?

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Post #196 Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:55 pm 
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The Intrepid wrote:
What did you expect Magicwand to play?


The hane at T6:

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[go]$$Bcm155 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . . . . X O X O O . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X O X . . X . O X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O O X . O X X O O X , X X . |
$$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O 3 5 |
$$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . X X 2 |
$$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X O 9 |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O 7 O |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O 8 6 |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X O 4 1 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This, AFAICS, is ko. I'd missed it because I hadn't realised the difference getting :w56: in sente made to the J group. You learn something every day :study:


@Uberdude et al

Uberdude wrote:
Yes, Magicwand screwed up. With the hane on the right the J group is a ko. He could also have made a ko by descending instead of making the hanging connection to make a straight J group. He could also make a less good ko after the hanging connection by playing 52 at s3. Instead he died.

Graham, before Magicwand started action in this corner what did you think the status was?


See response to the intrepid :) I had forgotten the descent was ko, wow, I'd have played differently in the last 10 moves. More study required (le sigh)
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Post #197 Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:01 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm151 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . . . . X O X O O . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X O X . . X . O X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O O X . O X X O O X , X X . |
$$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . |
$$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . 1 X 7 |
$$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . O |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X 8 . X 2 . 5 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . 4 . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #198 Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:46 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm151 Prisoners: :w1: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . . . . X O X O O . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X O X . . X . O X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O O X . O X X O O X , X X . |
$$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . |
$$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . 1 X 7 |
$$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . O |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X 8 . X 2 . 5 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 . 6 . 4 . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I absolutely have to avoid the connection ko here
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Offline Magicwand
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Post #199 Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 7:42 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm151 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . . . . X O X O O . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X O X . . X . O X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O O X . O X X O O X , X X . |
$$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O 0 . |
$$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . 1 X 7 |
$$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . O |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X 8 . X 2 . 5 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 . 6 . 4 . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #200 Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 2:05 am 
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[go]$$Bcm161 Prisoners: :w1: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . . . . X O X O O . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X O X . . X . O X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O O X . O X X O O X , X X . |
$$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O O . |
$$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . X X X |
$$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O 1 . X O . O |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X O . X O . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If he's going to seal me in, I want at least an eye and a few extra liberties, as we are going to have some form of semeai now.
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