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 Post subject: Re: #182 Nathan vs. lesenv
Post #81 Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:33 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm40 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
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$$ | . . . O 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O 1 . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This move feels the largest because it splits blacks stones and black now has weaknesses to fix on the bottom and left side

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Post #82 Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:34 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X O . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
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$$ | . . . X . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . O 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O 1 . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I want to strengthen the left side
and with :b40: i think this and the black string of stones to the left will survive (or at least when i don't defend anymore the left stones, i will get compensation: a wall starting with :b40:).

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Post #83 Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 10:25 am 
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[go]$$Bcm40 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
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$$ | . . . X . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . O 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O 1 . . , . . . 4 . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Sorry I havent responded, I will try and do better moving forward.

Black has big moyos everywhere, the right side feels bigger than the top so ill go there, and i am approaching high instead of low because i feel access to the center is important

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Post #84 Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 2:00 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm44 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
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$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . , 1 . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i think, the double approach is not good for me.

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[go]$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . 3 2 . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . , 1 . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

the string of stones on the left are too weak, no good wall.

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[go]$$Bcm44 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

to response with just backing off is too soft, white simply gains a base. my string of left stones are still too weak and would be become even weaker.

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[go]$$Bcm44 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

this will be tricky, but the new white stone is getting weaker. too tired to look through all the variations. this is probably not a good habit.

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[go]$$Bcm44 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #85 Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 2:38 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm44 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

to response with just backing off is too soft, white simply gains a base. my string of left stones are still too weak and would be become even weaker.

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[go]$$Bcm44 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

this will be tricky, but the new white stone is getting weaker. too tired to look through all the variations. this is probably not a good habit.]


The most common answer to the high approach is the one space jump. White can't easily build a base or take the corner with it, so a tighter defense like the knight's move above is inefficient and doesn't put as much pressure on the approaching stone. The most common variation leads to white having an open skirt and black securing the corner, which would be perfectly fine here, I think. The wall on the left is clearly much stronger than white's lone stone, and even with an extension, white's original high approach leaves white without a terribly solid base in a sea of black influence.

Honestly, I think a pincer, though not necessarily the two space high pincer that was suggested by the poster, was a reasonable idea, since black has backup on both sides. Black could safely just come out with a diagonal move if white makes a double approach, and leave white with two weak white groups split by a weakish black group.

The second diagram, however has a nasty and often persistent error. When you attach to a stone, you are inviting that stone to strengthen itself. If white responds with an extension or hane, as he well should, the stone black attached to becomes stronger, and is stronger than the stone that attached to it. Contact moves generally should only be used for defense against a stone that is already strong, so that the additional strength doesn't help the opponent much. There is also a case for using them to make the opponent heavy, but this is much less frequent and one needs to have a plan to follow up with.

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Post #86 Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:01 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . 2 1 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think this is the only move, id be ok with a simple variation such as shown below.

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[go]$$Bcm44 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . , . . 4 O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . 6 . . 2 1 3 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #87 Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:05 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . 2 1 3 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

hm, i want to see how he'll settle this group of his. i hope if he lives (and i expect him to live), i'll gain more influence. i don't know if my left stones have to live or they can be given up for the center in exchange.

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Post #88 Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 6:56 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm44 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . , . . 4 O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . 2 1 3 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Cant afford to get cut here

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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Has anyone considered this attachment? Considering White's current territory versus Black's, it would be easy to simply build the right side into a huge territory. The reason I'm thinking this is that while I don't like Black's wall in the lower left, it can be put to use by getting in the way of White's territorial prospects after the resolution. At any rate Black should end up with greater gain than White without needing to fight.

Then, considering Black has a nice framework going in the upper left and White has zero influence, making miai of taking a chunk of the side or the corner should clinch the game.

Even if this doesn't work out somehow, Black should mostly control the center at this point. Barring a series of serious mistakes I don't see how White could steal the game if :b1: is followed up properly. Again, Black mostly has to take care of his ungainly wall in the lower left.

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[go]$$Bcm44 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . , . . 4 O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . 2 1 3 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm44 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . , . . 4 O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . 5 . . 2 1 3 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

first i chose here: i get to defend the left stones and attack white (or at least steal the base). white will probably live in the middle. i'm not sure if it was better to let him live inside (on the side), but i don't know where to play instead, so i chose to live at the side.
but a second thought occured: use the influence! then i will let him live or when he struggles against me, i'll build my territory automatically.
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . X 2 5 . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . 1 3 . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . , . . O O . X 4 . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #91 Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:09 am 
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[go]$$Bcm44 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . , . . 4 O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . 2 1 3 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I believe this last move was a mistkae by white,

my response may be an overplay but I think i need to overplay a bit in handi games so ill give it a try

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[go]$$Bcm44 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . 7 6 . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . , . . 4 O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . 2 1 3 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . 7 6 . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . , . . 4 O 8 X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . 2 1 3 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #94 Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 4:02 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm52 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . , . . O O O X 1 . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

first i was sure i wanted to atari :w49: Q5, but when i looked at those options i realized when white extends regardless of which direction, i'll play at the bottom-right corner. it would be the same next move, so i thought don't play 1-2-3, just play 3. and i like it better, because white is split and have to defend 2 groups. i hope i will get something good out of this...

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[go]$$Bcm52 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . , . . O O O X 1 . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


i think this creates the best shape while splitting black but it does not look like an easy fight up ahead

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Post #96 Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:09 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . 3 . X . . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . , . . O O O X 1 . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

my first instinct was to play on the other side. but this :bc: will be easily cut off.
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[go]$$W1
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . 5 B . . . . |
$$ . . . . 4 3 6 8 . . |
$$ . . . . X 1 7 O 9 . |
$$ . . . . 2 X O . . . |
$$ , . . O O O X X . . |
$$ . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------[/go]

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Post #97 Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:34 am 
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[go]$$Bcm52 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . 3 . X . . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . 4 . . O O O X 1 . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Ok so i have two weak groups, I feel this one is more important and allows me to put pressure on two of blacks groups, while on top my stones are lighter and i still have a peep. I considered the third line move to settle more but if possible i want to split black and make the game complicated.

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Post #98 Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:30 am 
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first i wanted to play a forcing move on the bottom but i think it would have been better for white if he got to strengthen the bottom group in sente.

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[go]$$Bcm56 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . O . . O O O X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #99 Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:33 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . X . X 2 . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . O . . O O O X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Sorry I havent been responding, I dont know why but I have some wierd issue with playing these moves, ill try and do better

Not sure if this is ideal because white has a strange shape, but hopefully something will work out, sorry for the weak malkoviching

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Post #100 Posted: Mon May 06, 2013 12:46 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . X . X 2 . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . 3 X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . O . . O O O X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


No problem, I was ill. Now I'm better. Let's play some go... ;-)
Only move. Keep the 2 groups disconnected.

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