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#185 EdLee vs. The Intrepid: The Swords
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Author:  The Intrepid [ Mon Sep 02, 2013 10:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: #185 EdLee vs. The Intrepid: The Swords

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[go]$$Bm93 :b1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O , . O . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . 1 . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . O . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O O . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O O O . X O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . . O X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . . . X O X X . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
This move is either a mistake or the bestest, mostest, most omygoddest tesuji ever. Actually, it's probably just an overplay. After :w1:, if I persist with the invasion, I don't think I can win the resulting capturing race. Therefore, I'd have to revert to playing the endgame.
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[go]$$Wc
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O , . O . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X 1 . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . O . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O O . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O O O . X O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . . O X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . . . X O X X . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Incidentally, I may have overestimated my lead a bit. In fact, I might be leading by only a handful of points. If this is the case, my :b93: overplay may end up costing me dearly. However, EdLee must first find the right way to defend. Let's see if he does. :cool:

Author:  EdLee [ Wed Sep 25, 2013 12:11 pm ]
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[go]$$Wm94 :b1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O , . O . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X . 1 . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . O . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O O . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O O O . X O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . . O X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . . . X O X X . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Author:  The Intrepid [ Wed Oct 02, 2013 12:28 am ]
Post subject:  Re: #185 EdLee vs. The Intrepid: The Swords

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[go]$$Bm95 :b1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O , . O . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . O . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , 1 . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O O . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O O O . X O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . . O X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . . . X O X X . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
EdLee's last move looks to be a mistake. The difference between this move and between the move I think he should have played is subtle, yet substantial.
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[go]$$Wc
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O , . O . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O 7 . X 1 . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X X O 4 8 . . O . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O 3 2 6 5 . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O O . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O O O . X O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . . O X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . . . X O X X . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Wcm9
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O , . O . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . 2 X O O O . X W . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . 1 X X O X X . . O . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O O X X O . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O O . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . 3 X O X X O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 5 X O O O O O . X O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . 6 . X X X O . . . O X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . . . X O X X . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Wcm15
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O , . O . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . 7 . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X 5 . 4 3 6 . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O 1 X W . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X 2 . O . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O O X X O . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O O . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O C O X X O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O O O O O . X O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . X . X X X O . . . O X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . . . X O X X . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Notice that :wc: prevents Black from getting any extra liberties with :b18: and :b20:. This is not so after the move in the game:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O , . O . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . 2 ? 4 . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O C O . X O 1 ? . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O O X 3 W . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X O X X X . O . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O O X X O . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O O . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O C O X X O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O O O O O . X O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . X . X X X O . . . O X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . . . X O X X . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
These two extra liberties are the difference between me losing and winning the capturing race.

For this reason, EdLee should go for the following variation instead, but it loses some points.
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[go]$$Wc
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O , . O . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X X O 3 5 . . O . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . X 1 2 . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O O . X 4 . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O O O . X O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . . O X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . . . X O X X . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm6
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O , . O . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . 5 X O O . . X . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . 4 X X O O O . . O . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O 1 X O X . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O O 3 X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . 2 X O X X O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O O O . X O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . . O X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . . . X O X X . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Wcm11
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O , . O . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . . X . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X O O O . . O . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | 7 . O X X O X . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O O X X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O C O X X O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 1 X O O O O O . X O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . 2 3 X X X O . . . O X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . 6 4 . . X . . . X X . . . X O X X . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

The difference between this result and the following diagram seems to be about 5 points, give or take. Perhaps viewers who can count better than I can would be kind enough to make a more precise estimate. :)
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[go]$$Bc
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O , . O . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X W . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . O . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , 2 . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O O . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . 1 X O X X O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O O O . X O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . . O X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . . . X O X X . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Author:  The Intrepid [ Wed Jun 11, 2014 8:47 am ]
Post subject:  Re: #185 EdLee vs. The Intrepid: The Swords

Hey, EdLee! It looks like you were as busy as I had been over the past year. It'd be great to resume this game at some point. I plan on returning to playing Go in July, so let me know if you'd like to continue the game then. :)

Author:  The Intrepid [ Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: #185 EdLee vs. The Intrepid: The Swords

Hey, EdLee! Should you ever like to finish this game, I would be glad to play! :)

Another fantastic position! I briefly reviewed the variations I posted previously, and they look rather complicated. Hopefully I have not misread. :)

Author:  EdLee [ Wed Oct 26, 2016 2:08 am ]
Post subject: 

Hi Intrepid,

I've completely forgotten about this game. :)
Quite a bit has happened since 2012 ( in both Go and non-Go areas :) ).
Let me go back and review the game from the start --
I just looked at my hidden notes for my first few moves,
and they seem to be all news to me ! :)
Let me take a look first... and I'll decide if I should contnue...
Thanks. :)

Author:  EdLee [ Mon Oct 31, 2016 9:05 pm ]
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Catching up...
:w6:
After a quick glance of one of John's recent big list of books,
maybe I'd play :w6: slightly differently:
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[go]$$B
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
:w12:
Not so crazy about :w12: . Maybe...
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[go]$$W
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . 3 . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$W
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 . 4 2 8 . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . 5 O 3 6 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 7 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Author:  EdLee [ Mon Oct 31, 2016 9:27 pm ]
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Catching up... :w22:
Big miss ?
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Author:  EdLee [ Mon Oct 31, 2016 9:36 pm ]
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Catching up... :w26:
Maybe :w26: - :b27: ( :wc: - :bc: ) was OK,
but :w28: and :w30: probably bad -- force W to a lot of cash,
with little profit for B.
Instead of :w28: , maybe jump in somehow... ?
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